[Vision2020] Who said . . .

Gary Crabtree moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
Thu Apr 4 15:11:41 PDT 2013


I realize that asking for clarification is likely to be a futile effort
but, I'm compelled to try. In what way do you imagine that I "oppose
homosexuals" and whose back am I talking behind?


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> wrote:

> Why do these conservative Republicans oppose homosexuals yet act
> like little teenage girls, passing notes in class, and talking trash behind
> each others backs?
>
> Donovan J. Arnold
>
>   *From:* Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> *To:* lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> *Cc:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .
>
>  I very much agree with Roger. While there is no question but what from
> my, and many others point of view Mr. Steed violated fido unnecessarily
> when he signed on to the mayor's silly little letter, it wasn't an offense
> adequate to call for removal for his position with the party. The same goes
> for the postcard. Only an idiot would think that Mr. Boulma was involved
> in any other capacity then as the aggrieved party.
>
> And apparently only an idiot does.
>
> g
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Tom
> I  support Walter in the dispute with Gresham, but you failed to mention
> that Gresham also donated money to find out who sent out the postcard.
> Anyone who can add 2 and 2 should be able to figure out who sent out tthe postcard and it
> was'nt Gresham. Do not ask me to name the person who did. Since I can't
> prove anything I won't point fingers. It is not that hard to figure it out
> however. Just add up who had the motivation and the know how.
> Roger
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .
> From: "Tom Hansen" **
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" **
> Date: 04/04/13 00:03:16
>
>  Here's some news for you, Mr. Rumelhart -
>
> If the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan were to join the Viz, spewing
> racist vitriol from his website, much like Judd Wilson does, I'd hate him,
> too.  You see . . . I stand on my own two feet, nobody else's.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Now, about Gresham Bouma, I have a question . . .
>
> How is the investigation into the Postcard Hoax of 2010 going?
>
> In October '10, the Postcard Hoax Reward Fund was organized (consisting of
> myself, Walter Steed, and the Chair of the Latah County Dems).  The last
> word given was by Steed, saying that a collection of the postcards was sent
> back east to some FBI lab.  That was January 2011.  Are they back yet?
>
> To maintain interest in the Postcard Hoax, "Moscow Cares" has maintained,
> and will continue to maintain . . .
>
> The Postcard Hoax
> http://www.moscowcares.com/Hero/Postcard_Hoax.htm
>
> When, the HELL, are any of these "chest thumpers" going to man-up?
>
> -------------------------
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
>  Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=godshatter@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  I'm berating you all for being unwelcoming.  I'm not trying to defend
> the views of someone I've only met tangentially on the list and have only
> seen a video he made once a long time ago, a video I no longer have access
> to.  I remember being impressed by a poetic video that I found interesting
> and thought-provoking at the time.  I don't remember enough of the video
> now to proclaim n detail exactly which statements I found interesting,
> citing quotes from a transcript.  My well thought out position is that you
> all blew a chance to be nice to someone who just joined the list.  Maybe
> the next poor bastard that tries to join will have better luck.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=art.deco.studios@gmail.com>
> >
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .
>
>
>
>
>  @Paul,
>
>
> This is exactly the kind of response that you typically make when you are
> on the losing ending of an argument:  repeat in some way what you said
> before without adding reasons and/or ignoring the point made by some one
> else.
>
>
> Saundra asked you in response to one of your statements:
>
> "Do tell what you find so "very interesting" and "thought-provoking" about
> what he has to say!  I must have missed that between his City Council
> appearances, the Gresham Bouma campaign ad disguised as a newspaper, and
> his Internet blogs and postings ... By all means, Paul, if I've missed
> something "very interesting" and "thought-provoking," which it sounds like
> you think I have, please do share what it is."
>
>
> If what you have said above about engaging in discussion  (... reply with
> well thought out positions,..) isn't total hypocritical bullshit
> posturing, then respond to and answer exactly what Ms Lund has asked you
> to, otherwise be thought of as something a chicken does after eating and
> a phony to boot.
>
>
> w.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=thansen@moscow.com>
> > wrote:
>
>  FYI, Visionaires . . .
>
> Judd Wilson sits on the city's Fair and Affordable Housing Committee.
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
> Kinda gives ya a warm fuzzie, huh?
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
>  Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=godshatter@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  I give up.  Enjoy your little echo chamber, because that's all it will
> ever be.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> >
> *To:* 'Paul Rumelhart' <godshatter at yahoo.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=godshatter@yahoo.com>>;
> 'Rosemary Huskey' <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=donaldrose@cpcinternet.com>>;
> 'Tom Hansen' <thansen at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=thansen@moscow.com>>;
> 'Moscow Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2013 12:14 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [Vision2020] Who said . . .
>
>
>   Gosh, Paul, what's the matter?  You don't like that Tom found Judd
> Wilson's own words to tell us more about the kind of fellow he really is?
> What a clever boots Wilson is to provide us here on the Viz with such an
> impeccably white-washed introductory screed full of back-handed insults and
> incivility all the while claiming to be a most civil, respectful, charming
> fella!  Wayne Fox's response was spot on, IMO.
>
> Do tell what you find so "very interesting" and "thought-provoking" about
> what he has to say!  I must have missed that between his City Council
> appearances, the Gresham Bouma campaign ad disguised as a newspaper, and
> his Internet blogs and postings.  As I think I mentioned at the time, I
> found his attempt to squelch the Constitutionally guaranteed free speech of
> those with whom he disagrees morally repugnant.  I also think that stunt
> showed him for the theocracy-craving hypocrite he is, and nothing in his
> sunny little introduction here changes that.
>
> Do you think homosexuality is unnatural, unhealthy, morally wrong, and
> corrosive to society, as does Judd Wilson?  Do you think that employment
> and housing discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sexual
> orientation are legitimate, as does Judd Wilson?  Do you think the Bible
> and any one interpretation of it should be the rule of the land, the way
> Judd Wilson does?
>
> By all means, Paul, if I've missed something "very interesting" and
> "thought-provoking," which it sounds like you think I have, please do share
> what it is.  Personally, I've decided that for myself, life is too short
> and I'm less willing to suffer lightly wolves in sheep clothing than I was
> 20 years ago.
>
>
>
> Saundra
> Moscow, ID
>
> All the beautiful sentiments in the world weigh less than a single lovely
> action.
> ~ James Russell Lowell
>
>
>
>  *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com>[
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> *On Behalf Of* Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:44 AM
> *To:* Rosemary Huskey; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .
>
>  You know, we on this list can choose to go about this a couple of
> different ways.  We can welcome him to the list, engage him in polite
> discourse, think about what he says and reply with well thought out
> positions, and generally treat him as we would like to be treated if we
> ever wandered onto a forum where the tables were turned.  Or we could
> simply let our prejudices judge him before he even gets a chance to
> (figuratively) open his mouth on this list.
>
> I didn't realize until you all started ridiculing him that he was the
> fellow I saw a DVD of one day with a friend of mine.  While I didn't agree
> with his general outlook, I did find that he had some very interesting and
> thought-provoking things to say.  I'm hoping he endures the feces that I
> suspect will continue to be thrown at him for a long time to come, and
> doesn't get discouraged and stays on this list.
>
> Paul
>
>
>     *From:* Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=donaldrose@cpcinternet.com>
> >
> *To:* 'Tom Hansen' <thansen at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=thansen@moscow.com>>;
> 'Moscow Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .
>
>
>    You know what is really precious about this fellow?  It's his total
> lack of self awareness.  Just below and to the left of the bolded caps in
> the masthead *THE OFFICAL WEBSITE OF JUDD WILSON*  there are tiny little
> faded blue letters (maybe a size 4 font.  I can barely read are the words
> "Faith, Hope and Love."  This is too delicious, and ironic for words.
>  Rose Huskey
>
>    *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com<http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com>
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> *On Behalf Of* Tom Hansen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Who said . . .
>
>  "The fact that there are actually good things that white American boys
> do, or that there are evil things that non-white, non-American, non-males
> do, does not fit into their worldview.  Therefore those actual facts are
> either never reported, or if reported, mixed in with so much disinformation
> that the facts are barely recognizable, i.e., any crime reports involving
> 'teens" or "youths.'
>
>  And what happens when white American boys actually do commit evil acts,
> such as Adam Lanza's senseless murders in Newtown, Conn.?  The
> "reporters" don't bother to report on the reasons why that boy, or his
> counterparts in Aurora, or Columbine and elsewhere, have become murderers.
> They automatically forget that since the 1960s this country has turned its
> founding stock - Christian white men and their families - into the targets
> of every slander, lie, and perversion known to man."
>
>  Hint:  The author of this statement is a member of Vision 2020.
>
>  Guesses?
>  Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>  "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>  http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
>   Tom Hansen
>  Moscow, Idaho
>
>   "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>  But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>  - John Lennon
>
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