<div dir="ltr">I realize that asking for clarification is likely to be a futile effort but, I'm compelled to try. In what way do you imagine that I "oppose homosexuals" and whose back am I talking behind?
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:23 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .<br></font></div><br>
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<div>I very much agree with Roger. While there is no question but what from my, and many others point of view Mr. Steed violated <span><span>fido</span></span> unnecessarily when he signed on to the mayor's silly little letter, it wasn't an offense adequate to call for removal for his position with the party. The same goes for the postcard. Only an idiot would think that Mr. <span>Boulma</span> was involved in any other capacity then as the aggrieved party. </div>

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<div>And apparently only an idiot does.</div>
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<div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM, lfalen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I  support Walter in the dispute with Gresham, but you failed to mention that Gresham also donated money to find out who sent out the postcard. Anyone who can add 2 and 2 should be able to figure out who sent out <span>tthe</span>  postcard and it <span>was'nt</span> Gresham. Do not ask me to name the person who did. Since I can't prove anything I won't point fingers. It is not that hard to figure it out however. Just add up who had the motivation and the know how.</div>

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To: "Paul <span>Rumelhart</span>" <u></u><br>Date: 04/04/13 00:03:16<br><br>
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<div>Here's some news for you, Mr. <span>Rumelhart</span> -</div>
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<div>If the Grand Wizard of the <span>Ku</span> <span>Klux</span> Klan were to join the Viz, spewing racist vitriol from his website, much like Judd Wilson does, I'd hate him, too.  You see . . . I stand on my own two feet, nobody <span>else's</span>.</div>

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<div>Now, about Gresham <span>Bouma</span>, I have a question . . .</div>
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<div>How is the investigation into the Postcard Hoax of 2010 going?   </div>
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<div>In October '10, the Postcard Hoax Reward Fund was organized (consisting of myself, Walter Steed, and the Chair of the <span>Latah</span> County <span>Dems</span>).  The last word given was by Steed, saying that a collection of the postcards was sent back east to some FBI lab.  That was January 2011.  Are they back yet?</div>

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<div>To maintain interest in the Postcard Hoax, "Moscow Cares" has maintained, and will continue to maintain . . .</div>
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<div>The Postcard Hoax</div>
<div><span style="line-height:19px;font-size:15px;white-space:nowrap"><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/Hero/Postcard_Hoax.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/Hero/Postcard_Hoax.htm</a></span></div>

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<div>When, the HELL, are any of these "chest <span>thumpers</span>" going to man-up?</div>
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<div><span>Seeya</span> round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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<div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span> </div><span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium">
<span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span> </div>
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<div><br>On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Paul <span>Rumelhart</span> <<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:18 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .<br></font> </div><br>
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<div>@Paul,<br><br> </div>This is exactly the kind of response that you typically make when you are on the losing ending of an argument:  repeat in some way what you said before without adding reasons and/or ignoring the point made by some one else.<br>
<br> </div>Saundra asked you in response to one of your statements:<br><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">"Do tell what you find so "very interesting" and "thought-provoking" about what he has to say!  I must have missed that between his City Council appearances, the Gresham <span>Bouma</span> campaign ad disguised as a newspaper, and his Internet <span>blogs</span> and postings ...</span> <span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">By all means, Paul, if I've missed something "very interesting" and "thought-provoking," which it sounds like you think I have, please do share what it
 is."<br><br></span> </div><span style="font-size:11pt"><font><font>If what you have said above about engaging in discussion  (<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">...</span></font></font></span> <span style="font-size:11pt"><font><font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">reply with well thought out positions,..</span><font>)</font> isn't total</font> <font>hypocritical</font> bullshit posturing, then respond to and answer exactly what Ms <span>Lund</span> has asked you to, otherwise be thought of as something a chicken does after eating <font>and a phony to boot.</font><br>
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<div>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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<div>FYI, <span>Visionaires</span> . . .</div>
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<div>Judd Wilson sits on the city's Fair and Affordable Housing Committee.</div>
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<div>Kinda gives ya a warm <span>fuzzie</span>, huh?</div>
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<div><span>Seeya</span> round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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<div>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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<div>"<span style="font-size:medium">There's room at the top they are telling you still</span><span style="font-size:medium"> </span> </div><span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium">
<span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span> </div>
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<div><br>On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Paul <span>Rumelhart</span> <<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Paul <span>Rumelhart</span>' <<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>; 'Rosemary <span>Huskey</span>' <<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>>; 'Tom Hansen' <<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>>; 'Moscow Vision 2020' <<a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 3, 2013 12:14 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] Who said . . .<br></font> </div><br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Gosh, Paul, what's the matter?  You don't like that Tom found Judd Wilson's own words to tell us more about the kind of fellow he really is?  What a clever boots Wilson is to provide us here on the Viz with such an impeccably white-washed introductory screed full of back-handed insults and incivility all the while claiming to be a most civil, respectful, charming fella!  Wayne Fox's response was spot on, IMO.</span></div>

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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Do tell what you find so "very interesting" and "thought-provoking" about what he has to say!  I must have missed that between his City Council appearances, the Gresham <span>Bouma</span> campaign ad disguised as a newspaper, and his Internet <span>blogs</span> and postings.  As I think I mentioned at the time, I found his attempt to squelch the Constitutionally guaranteed free speech of those with whom he disagrees morally repugnant.  I also think that stunt showed him for the theocracy-craving hypocrite he is, and nothing in his sunny little introduction here changes that.</span></div>

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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Do you think homosexuality is unnatural, unhealthy, morally wrong, and corrosive to society, as does Judd Wilson?  Do you think that employment and housing discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation are legitimate, as does Judd Wilson?  Do you think the Bible and any one interpretation of it should be the rule of the land, the way Judd Wilson does?</span></div>

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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">By all means, Paul, if I've missed something "very interesting" and "thought-provoking," which it sounds like you think I have, please do share what it is.  Personally, I've decided that for myself, life is too short and I'm less willing to suffer lightly wolves in sheep clothing than I was 20 years ago.</span></div>

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<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">All the beautiful sentiments in the world weigh less than a single lovely action.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rosemary <span>Huskey</span>; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Moscow Vision 2020'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .</span> </div></div></div>
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<br>I didn't realize until you all started ridiculing him that he was the fellow I saw a DVD of one day with a friend of mine.  While I didn't agree with his general outlook, I did find that he had some very interesting and thought-provoking things to say.  I'm hoping he endures the feces that I suspect will continue to be thrown at him for a long time to come, and doesn't get discouraged and stays on this list.<br>
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<div style="background:white"> <b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b> <span style="font-size:10pt">Rosemary <span>Huskey</span> <</span><a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt">><br>
<b>To:</b> 'Tom Hansen' <</span><a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt">thansen@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt">>; 'Moscow Vision 2020' <</span><a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt">><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:29 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Who said . . .</span> </div> </div>
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<div style="background:white"> <b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b> <a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</span></a> <span style="font-size:10pt">[</span><a href="http://index.html/?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt">] <b>On Behalf Of</b> Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Who said . . .</span> </div></div></div></div>
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<div style="background:white"><span>"The fact that there are actually good things that white American boys do, or that there are evil things that non-white, non-American, non-males do, does not fit into their worldview.  Therefore those actual facts are either never reported, or if reported, mixed in with so much disinformation that the facts are barely recognizable, i.e., any crime reports involving 'teens" or "youths.'</span></div>
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<div style="background:white"><span>And what happens when white American boys actually do commit evil acts, such as Adam <span>Lanza's</span> senseless murders in <span>Newtown</span>, Conn.?  The "reporters" don't bother to report on the reasons why that boy, or his counterparts in Aurora, or Columbine and elsewhere, have become murderers.  They automatically forget that since the 1960s this country has turned its founding stock - Christian white men and their families - into the targets of every slander, lie, and perversion known to man."</span></div>
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