[Vision2020] [Spam 5.31] Re: "No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child"

[Donovan Arnold]

Chuck,
 
I asked the question of where your evidence was the Obama was killing innocent civilians at wedding. Your response was only one article dated before Obama was even President.
 
Now your response if an opinion piece that attacks a strawman argument I, Obama, and nobody that I know of has made.
 
The number of civilian causalities killed under Obama during his 3 1/2 years in office, is less than that of George W. Bush in any given year he was President, less than Clinton, less than Bush Sr., and less than Ronald Reagan.
 
That does that make Obama right? No. But to attack Obama as bombing civilian weddings, when he has not, is wrong. 
 
You bash our troops for their biased newspaper information, while at the same time are peddling misinformation yourself. How hypocritical is that?
 
 
Donovan J. Arnold

From: Chuck Kovis <ckovis at turbonet.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Spam 5.31] Re: [Vision2020] "No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child"


Damn, I forgot, Donovan.  He did everything in his power as the Jr. Senator from Illinois and as the President of the United States to stop this crap.   As Ross Caputi stated in the Guardian in March of this year:

"The consequentialist will argue that the good results outweigh the bad, that democracy, freedom and the liberation of Afghan women will improve the lives of Afghans so much that the deaths of a few are justified. This is an easy judgment for westerners to make from the comforts of their own homes; but it stinks of the same patriarchy and arrogance of the white man's burden that justified colonialism for so many years. Has anyone consulted Afghans and asked them if they think the good that the west has promised will come of this occupation is worth the lives of their family members?"

And, to you Tom, more Caputi:

"Yet, western audiences feel reassured knowing that most of the civilian deaths in Afghanistan were not intended; and they only become outraged when marines and soldiers clearly target civilians and kill women and children, urinate on their bodies, and plunder their body parts as trophies. From Abu Ghraib, to Fallujah, to Haditha, and now to Panjwai, US forces have committed massacres against civilians. These incidents stand out in the western mind, but to Afghans and Iraqis, they are no different from the daily slaughter of civilians by drones, air strikes, depleted uranium and stray bullets."  

When Caputi gets to write a column in one of the military "Times" I may go back to reading them again.  In the meantime I'm not going to hold my breath as long as Obama, Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Nixon, Johnson, Romney, Kissinger etc., etc., hold power and rational thinking people swallow the "security" crap hook, line and sinker.

 Chuck Kovis
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