[Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All Over Again

[keely emerinemix]

I don't believe you're evil, Paul.  I do believe you're not seeing the Wilson situation clearly, and it puzzles me that you are seemingly unable to and apparently are more than a little naive.  But I don't think you're a bad guy, as much as I vehemently disagree with you.  The "bad guys" in my post are Wilson's associates and lackeys; I wasn't calling you one.  

I just wish you understood how silence in the face of evil is, in my 
mind, assent -- an assent that empowers, encourages, and establishes 
oppression and hate, violence and bigotry.  A bad guy in my book is someone who would cheerfully deny basic rights and dignity to others in the name of the God I worship.  Someone who doesn't see that person as a threat is, I believe, just not getting it.  You may never, in my mind, "get it," but that doesn't make you Satan.  

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com


Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:50:44 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All Over Again



  


    
    
  
  
    

    I can certainly understand that.  

    

    All I'm saying is that not caring whether or not someone believes
    something I disagree with, even if they express that belief from the
    pulpit, does not make me "basically disinterested in universal human
    rights" as has been alleged.  I would say it's quite the opposite. 
    I've long been a supporter of freedom of expression on this list. 
    It's an important freedom to me. 

    

    I don't care if someone thinks that the slaves in the South had it
    easy, and I don't care if someone thinks the Holocaust never
    happened.  I also don't care of they think the White Man is a crazed
    predator that destroys everything he touches.  People are welcome to
    their own opinions, and are welcome to express them as they like. 
    This does not mean I'm an evil man. 

    

    Paul

    

    On 03/28/2012 02:10 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
    
      
      
        I would add that when said hairdresser or grocer takes on the
        mantle of "pastor" and then teaches that public, active
        affirmation of evils such as the death march and Hiroshima are
        intrinsically and fundamentally linked to my religion, I would
        not only disavow their statements but object, and object
        strenuously, to that and any other perversion of the faith I
        live for.  

        

        It only takes a few bad men to convince thousands of people that
        applauding historic evil is a righteous and faithful thing to
        do.  This woman, though, will fight them 'til the day she dies.

        

        Keely

              www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

            

        

        
          From: thansen at moscow.com

          Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:23:54 -0700

          To: godshatter at yahoo.com

          CC: vision2020 at moscow.com

          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All Over
          Again

          

          Paul Rumelhart inquires:
          

          
          "Do people here know or care what their grocer
              thinks about the Bataan Death March?  Or what their hair
              stylist thinks about Nagasaki or Hiroshima?"
          

            
          Not if they limited expressing their beliefs to
              the confines of the grocery store or hair salon, Mr.
              Rumelhart.
          

            
          But, when these "beliefs" are expressed as fact
              from the pulpit by a self-ordained pastor or within a
              classroom by an instructor, it matters VERY MUCH.
          

            
          Or have you forgotten about the tirades over
              local professors simply because they are liberal?
          

            Seeya round town, Moscow.
            

            
            Tom Hansen
            Moscow, Idaho
            

            
            "If not us, who?
            If not now, when?"
            

            
            - Unknown
            

            
            

            
          
          

            On Mar 28, 2012, at 12:06, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
            wrote:

            

          
          Do people here know or care what their grocer
            thinks about the Bataan Death March?  Or what their hair
            stylist thinks about Nagasaki or Hiroshima?
          

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