[Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All Over Again

Wed Mar 28 12:06:49 PDT 2012

I'm still amazed that I can be called "basically disinterested in 
universal human rights" because I don't care what a person's opinion on 
antebellum slavery is.  I didn't say that I don't care about the plight 
of slaves in that time frame, mind you, just that I don't care what 
someone else's opinion on the subject is.  Do people here know or care 
what their grocer thinks about the Bataan Death March?  Or what their 
hair stylist thinks about Nagasaki or Hiroshima?

The doubly amazing part to me is that this can be directly attributed 
automatically to my ethnicity, gender, and economic level without 
causing an outrage on this list.

For the record, I have this belief that people should be allowed to 
think what they want, believe what they want, and hold whatever opinions 
they want whether or not I agree with them.  Crazy, I know.

Paul

On 03/28/2012 10:32 AM, Ted Moffett wrote:
> There's no harm in repeating important points, indeed it is often
> necessary, unavoidable, so this post is not meant as criticism of
> anyone.
>
> When I read the recent March 2012 exchange under the subject heading
> "Posturing Ennui" as indicated in the altered subject heading of this
> post, I was amazed to recall that these three individuals (Tom, Paul,
> Rose) in 2009 exchanged dialog where the exact same wording was used
> about roughly the same subject, implying that being "white, male,
> middle class" was an influence in one of the respondents views on how
> to deal with racism or slavery or hate crimes:
>
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-August/065757.html
> [Vision2020] Officials Counter Racist Acts
> Rosemary donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> Sat Aug 22 16:50:32 PDT 2009
>
> Tom is dead on to raise the alarm about this guy. Paul, your sense of white,
> male, middle class entitlement is showing.  I guess you don't understand
> that silence is assent - or you don't care.
> -----------------------
> And in March 2012 in the post below:
>
> "I’m guessing that you are basically disinterested in universal human rights
> because you are lucky enough to be born male, white, and middle class..."
>
> On 3/25/12, Rosemary Huskey<donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>  wrote:
>
>> You have identified the nub of the problem, Paul when you write:  “I don't
>> particularly care what views a person holds about antebellum slavery, or who
>> they think should be in charge of the finances in their marriage.”
>>
>> Why is antebellum slavery (and its unhappy, damning legacy) unimportant to
>> you? Aren’t you appalled by a culture that frequently treated human beings
>> with less regard than domestic farm animals? Don’t you find it obscene that
>> anyone would glorify and defend the vicious, repulsive culture of the Old
>> South?  Is antebellum slavery outside your realm of interest because it was
>> a historic rather than a contemporary event?  If so, are you equally
>> indifferent to modern slavery in parts of Africa, Saudi Arabia, and other
>> Middle Eastern countries?
>>
>> Do recent hate crimes arouse a sense of outrage in you?  Do you feel
>> compassion for the victims?   How do you feel about the murders of Matthew
>> Shepherd or James Byrd?  Is there a gaping hole where your conscience ought
>> to be? Are you are aware that your posturing ennui gives tacit consent to
>> the hate mongering antics of sociopaths?
>>
>> I’m guessing that you are basically disinterested in universal human rights
>> because you are lucky enough to be born male, white, and middle class – all
>> of which are unearned privilege.  And, really, if you think the most
>> damaging aspect of patriarchy is limited to who is in charge of family
>> finance (the words “in charge” are particularly revealing, Paul) you are
>> entirely, 100%, just plain old, ordinarily, wrong while concurrently
>> demonstrating a profound ignorance about elements of successful
>> relationships, marriage and/or partnerships.
>>
>> Rose Huskey
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:07 AM
>> To: Tom Hansen
>> Cc: vision2020
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>>
>> This is a nice example of the intolerance I'm talking about.  I don't
>> particularly care what views a person holds about antebellum slavery, or who
>> they think should be in charge of the finances in their marriage.  I'll
>> still sit down and have a beer with them.
>>
>> If the Intoleristas had instead been of the frame of mind of "sorry, we're
>> not going to let you turn the Palouse into a theocracy, but we're still
>> happy to have you as part of our community", then they might not have been
>> so quick to accuse some of you of vandalism when they reported the incidents
>> to the police.  Go out of your way to make yourself someone's enemy, and
>> they will think of you first when something like that happens to them.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 03/25/2012 04:37 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>
>> Intoleristas
>>
>> (in tol er és ta), n.
>>
>> *	A person holding anti-slavery sentiments
>> *	A committed feminist.
>> *	A supporter of the Constitution, human rights, and equality for all,
>> regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, economic status, or sexual
>> orientation.
>> *	A person with a wholesome proclivity for outing shifty hypocrites,
>> shameless liars, and sham historians.
>> *	A person who is neither intimidated nor silenced by right-wing, theocratic
>> bullies, or their sycophantic toadies.
>> *	A person who wears the title proudly as a reminder that he/she is about
>> the business of democracy.
>>
>> "It is not so much what we are as much as what we are about."
>>
>> A flash from the past . . .
>>
>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3
>>
>> Who can forget . . .
>>
>> http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf
>>
>> Let the whine flow . . .
>>
>> http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf
>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg
>>
>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate
>> ----------------------
>> There is, literally, loads and loads more, Mr. Rumelhart . . . like letters
>> sent from the un-pastor to then-Governor Kempthorne and then-UI President
>> White . . . Doug "Charlie Brown" Wilson's speech at the Public Civility
>> Forum at the Hamilton Indoor Recreation Center a few years ago . . . the
>> Great Christ Church Debate between the Un-Pastor and the Intoleristas' own
>> Keely Mix on KRFP.  I could go on and on and on and . . .
>>
>> I'll jus' leevya with His Whineyness' own words . . .
>>
>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3
>>
>> Thanks for the promo, though.
>>
>> image.jpeg
>> Seeya there, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>>
>> Wallace, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>>
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown