[Vision2020] Posturing Ennui

Sun Mar 25 14:03:55 PDT 2012

Do you people even know what it means to be "tolerant" of something?  I 
hold the same view you do about the authenticity of Wilson's views on 
historical slavery.  I suspect that he's filtered the facts so that he 
only sees what he wants to see on the subject.  However, I can still be 
tolerant of his views.  His fantasy (I'm not a historian, but I'm going 
with the standard view on this until I see a reason not to) about how 
slavery worked in the Old South does not make him an evil man that 
others should be incapable of dealing with.  It makes him wrong, as far 
as I know, but it doesn't make him evil.

And, yes.  Hate crimes are horrific enough to raise me from my typical 
unfeeling slumber.  They are bad enough that even I, a man so inured to 
suffering in others that I would laughably argue outright for tolerance, 
of all things, can feel horrified by them.  In fact, as a person who 
thinks that others should be more tolerant of each other, I find hate 
crimes especially egregious.  Also, not a big fan of present day 
slavery, despite my compassion deficiency.

Oh, and I apologize to the world, once again, for being born white, 
male, and middle-class.  And since my religion allows for my having had 
a choice in how that would turn out before the fact, then I really have 
no one to blame but myself.

Paul

On 03/25/2012 12:52 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote:
>
> You have identified the nub of the problem, Paul when you write: “I 
> don't particularly care what views a person holds about antebellum 
> slavery, or who they think should be in charge of the finances in 
> their marriage.”
>
> Why is antebellum slavery (and its unhappy, damning legacy) 
> unimportant to you? Aren’t you appalled by a culture that frequently 
> treated human beings with less regard than domestic farm animals? 
> Don’t you find it obscene that anyone would glorify and defend the 
> vicious, repulsive culture of the Old South?  Is antebellum slavery 
> outside your realm of interest because it was a historic rather than a 
> contemporary event?  If so, are you equally indifferent to modern 
> slavery in parts of Africa, Saudi Arabia, and other Middle Eastern 
> countries?
>
> Do recent hate crimes arouse a sense of outrage in you?  Do you feel 
> compassion for the victims?   How do you feel about the murders of 
> Matthew Shepherd or James Byrd?  Is there a gaping hole where your 
> conscience ought to be? Are you are aware that your posturing ennui 
> gives tacit consent to the hate mongering antics of sociopaths?
>
> I’m guessing that you are basically disinterested in universal human 
> rights because you are lucky enough to be born male, white, and middle 
> class – all of which are unearned privilege.  And, really, if you 
> think the most damaging aspect of patriarchy is limited to who is in 
> charge of family finance (the words “in charge” are particularly 
> revealing, Paul) you are entirely, 100%, just plain old, ordinarily, 
> wrong while concurrently demonstrating a profound ignorance about 
> elements of successful relationships, marriage and/or partnerships.
>
> Rose Huskey
>
> *From:*vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:07 AM
> *To:* Tom Hansen
> *Cc:* vision2020
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>
> This is a nice example of the intolerance I'm talking about.  I don't 
> particularly care what views a person holds about antebellum slavery, 
> or who they think should be in charge of the finances in their 
> marriage.  I'll still sit down and have a beer with them.
>
> If the Intoleristas had instead been of the frame of mind of "sorry, 
> we're not going to let you turn the Palouse into a theocracy, but 
> we're still happy to have you as part of our community", then they 
> might not have been so quick to accuse some of you of vandalism when 
> they reported the incidents to the police.  Go out of your way to make 
> yourself someone's enemy, and they will think of you first when 
> something like that happens to them.
>
> Paul
>
> On 03/25/2012 04:37 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
> */Intoleristas/*
>
> *(in tol er és ta), n.*
>
>     * A person holding anti-slavery sentiments
>     * A committed feminist.
>     * A supporter of the Constitution, human rights, and equality for
>       all, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, economic
>       status, or sexual orientation.
>     * A person with a wholesome proclivity for outing shifty
>       hypocrites, shameless liars, and sham historians.
>     * A person who is neither intimidated nor silenced by right-wing,
>       theocratic bullies, or their sycophantic toadies.
>     * A person who wears the title proudly as a reminder that he/she
>       is about the business of democracy.
>
> */"It is not so much what we are as much as what we are about."/*
>
> A flash from the past . . .
>
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3
>
> Who can forget . . .
>
> http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf
>
> Let the whine flow . . .
>
> http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf
>
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg
>
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate
>
> ----------------------
>
> There is, literally, loads and loads more, Mr. Rumelhart . . . like 
> letters sent from the un-pastor to then-Governor Kempthorne and 
> then-UI President White . . . Doug "Charlie Brown" Wilson's speech at 
> the Public Civility Forum at the Hamilton Indoor Recreation Center a 
> few years ago . . . the Great Christ Church Debate between the 
> Un-Pastor and the Intoleristas' own Keely Mix on KRFP.  I could go on 
> and on and on and . . .
>
> I'll jus' leevya with His Whineyness' own words . . .
>
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3
>
> Thanks for the promo, though.
>
> image.jpeg
>
> Seeya there, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Wallace, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
>
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>

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