[Vision2020] WTF?

[Art Deco]

Large capacity storage:  That is why electrolysis of water using the wind
power is a possible solution.  It takes into account the variablilty of
wind and solar power and provides a means of storage and regeneration when
the power is needed.  This isn't my idea.  The idea was around from the
late 1960s.

w.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ultimately, the problem with wind power is that it's not a constant load
> solution.  We need some kind of energy storage solution that is
> cost-effective, efficient, and high capacity.  Then we can use wind and
> solar to recharge the energy storage system and be buffered from the
> vagaries of wind speed and cloud cover.  Without that, we end up with a lot
> of our windmills not moving and our solar panels not receiving enough
> sunlight some of the time and falling short at others.  We also need a
> smarter electrical grid that can handle the fluctuations better and be
> smart enough to route energy to these energy storage systems when needed.
> If the government wants to spend money on renewable energy, I would say
> spend it on electrical grid upgrades and large-capacity energy storage
> first.  Or nuclear, which actually *is* a base-load solution.
>
> Paul
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:04 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] WTF?
>
> Thank you.
>
> It is a complex subject. But does it make sense to pay for power not
> produced when water can be left through the dams free?
>
> Those of us with $200 - $300 per month electricity bills fail to believe
> the cheapness argument.
>
> w.
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think it's something like this:
> Wind power is currently not price competitive with hydro-power or natural
> gas without state laws that require "green energy" and tax breaks. The cost
> of the machinery to electrolyze water, store the hydrogen, and turn it back
> into electricity would add to the already non-competitive cost of wind
> power.
>
> The Whistling Ridge project, just approved by Gregoire over the objections
> of conservationists, is on hold by the developers for economic reasons--
> the price of electricity is so low they can't make it pencil out.
>
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
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> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 7, 2012 6:03 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] WTF?
>
> Why not use the excess power to electrolyze water into hydrogen and
> oxygen, store these gases, then use them to generate electricity when the
> demand is greater?
>
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/07/wind-power-companies-paid-to-not-produce/?test=latestnews
>
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