[Vision2020] Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) . . .
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 30 15:32:45 PDT 2012
Tom,
Facts frequently don't agree with your statements.
First, every person that goes to the emergency room pays for it. Hospitals immediately sue anyone that doesn't pay them for services rendered. Check any courthouse and see who has the record for suing people, after financial services it is health care providers and hospitals.
In addition, if you bothered to look at the numbers, the taxes on alcohol consumed by mostly the young, that goes to hospitals for emergency care more than covers the costs they acquire for indigent care. Hospitals just want to keep the money, which they get to if they don't have any indigents. It is government health insurance, like Tricare, Medicaid, and Medicare that puts hospitals in the hole and raises the rates for private insurance, not indigents that are covered by taxes.
Second, this doesn't change the fact that insurance and health care is still unaffordable for most families without assistance, which most won't get. Nor will it improve the quality of health care.
Third, I haven't met anyone [HIYAHIDNNHI] that doesn't have insurance simple because they don't want to pay it. All the people I have met without insurance are people that cannot afford it, like the young or middle class with health problems or a disability, who have a 25%-50% unemployment rate.
Finally, there is a reason no other country in the world has a plan like this one, it won't work, unless you are rich, or dirt poor. It in fact might be cheaper to make less just so you can get health insurance for free then make a little more and have to pay the huge premiums and copays yourself.
Donovan J. Arnold
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>; Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) . . .
The bottom line, Mr. Arnold, is . . .
When somebody who can afford health insurance, but does not have health insurance . . . (the hey-I'm-young-and-healthy---I-don't-need-no-health-insurance [HIYAHIDNNHI] people) is injured or sick and needs hospitalization NOW, who do you think pays for it, Mr. Arnold?
We all do through higher premiums. This "tax" is aimed at those HIYAHIDNNHI people.
Now, do you get it? Or do you prefer paying higher premiums?
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"
- Unknown
On Jun 30, 2012, at 14:01, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom,
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>Anyone making over 133% of the poverty line must buy it. That means a family of four making $30,000 a year is expected to buy insurance for everyone in the family. Or a family of two making $20,000. Do you think they can afford that?
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>Not many people can afford insurance all the time on their own. It is like $300 per person and up. Hard to do on a $26000 (what half the people make) a year paycheck. Only when employers pay most the premium can people afford it.
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>Health insurance is fraud. It is designed to make you pay more than you get, that is how they make their money. Insurance companies will only let me in for $500 a month. And my medical expenses are only $1500 a year. That is highway robbery. And that insurance is with a $5000 deductible. Which means I have to spend 33% of my net income just to start to use the insurance. This law won't give me insurance, I will have to pay the tax because I cannot afford the premiums of $500 (same as my rent) a month and the $1500 a year I pay.
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>Don't be surprised either when your insurance premiums and copays go through the roof now that you have to buy it and people cannot be turned down except by not being able to pay the higher premiums. It will be like gas prices, every insurance company will raise their rates $100 a month and you won't be able to do anything about it but pay it--it is the law.
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>Donovan J. Arnold
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>From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>Cc: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) . . .
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>The "tax" referenced in Obamacare is not levied against EVERYBODY, merely those that can afford health insurance that do not have health insurance.
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>Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"If not us, who?
>If not now, when?"
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>- Unknown
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>On Jun 30, 2012, at 10:19, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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>> No they were not from Trump and Bain. T^hey were from middle class americans. I agree with your last sentence.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:10:14 -0700
>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com, Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) . . .
>>
>>> "Today after the vote and Romney's statement that he wanted it repealed, he received several million in new contributions".
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, those contributors were named Trump and Bain. They shouldn't be wasting their money on losing candidates. They are going to need it to pay for all the new taxes they are going to have.
>>>
>>> I hope Obama and Congress don't demand I buy life and home owners insurance next or pay another tax I can ill afford.
>>>
>>> Donovan J. Arnold
>>>
>>> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>> To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) . . .
>>>
>>> He vary well may win, however with only a third of the voters in favor of Obamacare his chances are reduced. Today after the vote and Romney's statement that he wanted it repealed, he received several million in new contributions.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:37:14 -0700
>>> To: Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) . . .
>>>
>>>> My prediction: Obama wins in 2012.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>> . . . has been upheld by the Supreme Court by a vote of 5-4.
>>>>>
>>>>> More to follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "If not us, who?
>>>>> If not now, when?"
>>>>>
>>>>> - Unknown
>>>>>
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