[Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

Art Deco art.deco.studios at gmail.com
Mon Jun 25 12:15:07 PDT 2012 

A newer address for Michael Hoffmann:

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This whole debacle in which Germer Construction, Inc stands to be deadbeat
out of over a half million dollars gives some lessons, including:

1.  Christ Church Cult Congregants ought see this venture which was born of
Cultmaster's Douglas Wilson's extreme egotism, arrogance, and financial
ineptitude as a glaring counterexample to the Calvinistic Prosperity Gospel
which they are constantly hosed with.  And especially after the resounding,
humiliating defeat of the principles found in Wilson's magnum opus *Federal
Vision, *1350 to 50 by those most likely to be in sympathy with his views
--
http://pcaac.org/2007GeneralAssembly/Fed%20%20Vision%20Rept%20%205-11-07.pdf

2. The MO of "Find them, fool them, and fleece them" does not always work
even among the very gullible.

In my opinion up until about a year ago Wilson would have had a good chance
of using a "Liquidate and Evacuate Strategy."  A successful liquidation is
now most likely impractical and improbable.  The window for a successful
evacuation is rapidly closing due to a number of possible events, among
them, health repercussions.


w.



On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>wrote:

> WOW ! ! !
>
> Yes. I have hard-copies of letters (which I have digitized) sent by you
> and another family in the area to the city concerning something along these
> lines.
>
> Maybe I ought to find 'em and post 'em to the Viz under the subject line
> of "Remember When . . . "
>
> Whatcha think?
>
> Tom
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2012, at 17:19, "Bev Bafus" < <bevbafus at frontier.com>
> bevbafus at frontier.com> wrote:
>
> Also, do a business entity search on the Secretary of State’s page.  Look
> up Greensides.****
>
> ** **
>
> The Homeowner’s Association has been dissolved (having one was a
> requirement of the City’s Planned Unit Development)  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Greensides, Inc. is supposedly in goodstanding, but the report is late.
> The question is, Where is Mike Hoffmann?****
>
> ** **
>
> There is a new “Greensides” listing the agent as Mark Wintz.  He’s the one
> doing the new homes right on N. Polk.****
>
> ** **
>
> I told the City this would be a clusterf***, but they didn’t listen.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks****
>
> Bev****
>
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> ** **
>
> *From:* <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com[mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Art Deco
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:34 PM
> *To:* <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
> Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)****
>
> ** **
>
> Saundra hits on some of the big mysteries/questions in this case (not a
> small one with at least about $546,000 allegedly owing as of today, and
> growing at the rate of about $323 per day).
>
> Allegedly a loan of an alleged $2,000,000 was allegedly negotiated by loan
> officer Craig Knott of U.S. Bank for the development of Greensides.
> Questions:  Why wasn't Germer paid from the proceeds of that loan?  Did the
> bank pay the proceeds of the loan directly to the corporation instead of
> paying it to directly to the contractors upon approval by the corporation
> as is the usual case?  Looking at the development, how could they have
> spent $2,000,000 on what has been done?
>
> The complaint alleges unjust [personal] enrichment by Douglas Wilson of
> Christ Church, and his number one boy, Matt Gray, both residents of
> Greensides.  This means that corporate funds were allegedly used to enrich
> Wilson and Gray either by services rendered or directly.  If so, that
> raises two issues:
>
>  Were those corporate funds/debt incurment used reimbursed to the
> corporation by Wilson and Gray?
>
> If not:
>
> 1.  Then possible theft/fraud from the corporation has occurred, thus
> rendering shareholder immunity from corporate debt/liability null and void
> for Wilson and Gray, and
>
> 2.  If the alleged enrichment was not reported on Wilson and/or Gray's tax
> returns, then that is concealing income.  If anyone is found to have
> concealed income, the the IRS may audit many years into the past beyond the
> normal three or four years.  I've seen this happen, and the results are not
> pretty for the misreporter.  Such audits are aggressive and deeply probing.
>
> Not much has happened in the case lately.  Perhaps the attorneys are
> working it out.  But if not, during the discovery phase of the case, I am
> sure there will be a most meticulous and demanding probe of all corporate
> transactions and the associated money trails among other things.
>
> I live in rural Latah County so I seldom am around the morning/afternoon
> coffee klatches that occur particularly among local business persons, but
> news of some discussions reaches me through some of the participants.
> Business persons are usually very guarded in discussing in public Douglas
> Wilson/Christ Church et al because of fear of reprisal (e.g. like one that
> happened when a local vendor signed a petition supporting human rights).
> But after the Germer complaint was filed, there has been more public
> freewheeling discussion.  An alleged half million dollar deadbeat
> understandably sends shock waves through the local business and financial
> communities.
>
> That said, what the discussion amount to could be said this way:  If you
> had bought stock in Douglas Wilson' credibility, integrity, and fiscal
> responsibility late last year, and then sold it today, you would probably
> take a hell of a loss.
>
> Business persons rightly abhor deadbeats.  The enterprise system doesn't
> work unless customers/clients pay for goods and services rendered.  Which
> may make some business persons now quite wary to do business with Douglas
> Wilson and/or his associated enterprises on much credit -- one can hardly
> blame them:  there appears to be at least a half million good reasons.
>
> If Wilson/Gray/Greensides et al have other unsettled debts, especially
> debts due private lenders, then more trouble may loom.  Some private
> lenders prefer to use other means, antithetical to legal ones, to enforce
> collection, and such means are not pleasant.  It would behoove debtors to
> these kind of private lenders to promptly pay their debts or to carry very
> good health insurance.
>
> w.
>
> --
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Saundra Lund < <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm><v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:****
>
> Like Paul, I’m not an attorney, nor have I ever played one on TV <g>, but
> my reading of the complaint is a little different than is his.****
>
>  ****
>
> Paul wrote:****
>
> “Greensides was not setup correctly as a corporation that they can try to
> get the money they allege is owed to them directly from Doug and the two
> other defendants and apparently 5 "John Does" which are presumably other
> Greensides Inc board members.”****
>
>  ****
>
> Actually, I think that part of the complaint pertains to unjust *personal*enrichment in addition to some failure to properly incorporate Greensides,
> Inc.  Certain defendants apparently took positive action to have their
> homes included in the subdivision and received *personal* gain/benefits
> from the work Germer did.****
>
>  ****
>
> Now, which defendants those are and what personal benefit those defendants
> gained is difficult to tell because *where’s the contract*?  It’s
> referenced in the Complaint as an attached exhibit, but it doesn’t seem to
> be included in the Complaint Tom has posted.****
>
>  ****
>
> This whole thing is confusing to me.  I definitely am *not* up on the
> complexities of subdivision development, but it seems to me US Bank
> financed at least some part of Greensides because I remember seeing their
> sign out there for a very long time.****
>
>  ****
>
> Anyway, what happened to all that money?  Did they just hand the lump sum
> over to Greensides, Inc.?  Isn’t that kind of money typically doled out to
> the borrower/developer as expenses are incurred?  And, if that’s the case,
> what happened to that money if it wasn’t used to pay companies like Germer
> Construction?****
>
>  ****
>
> But, as long as we’re on the topic of Greensides, this certainly isn’t the
> first time those associated with the development have tried to skip out on
> paying what’s owed.  As I recall, several liens were placed on the initial
> two new units constructed because local businesses weren’t paid for their
> work, and Design Craft Homes, LLC  doesn’t pay its debts, either.****
>
>  ****
>
> There certainly seems to have been more than the normal amount of smoke &
> mirrors involved with the Greensides development!****
>
>  ****
>
> It will be interesting to see how this case plays out.  I’m surprised a
> case of this magnitude hasn’t been covered by the local press, but then
> again, perhaps the Moscow-Pullman Daily News is a little embarrassed that
> they wrote an extensive front page article about Mike Hoffman basically
> presenting him as the best thing to happen to Moscow development since the
> arrival of sliced bread.  Oops.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Saundra****
>
> Moscow, ID****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *I distrust those who know so well what God wants them to do because I
> notice it always coincides with their own desires.*****
>
> *~ Susan B. Anthony*****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto: <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com><vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> *To:* Joe Campbell
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
> Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)****
>
>  ****
>
> Germer Construction is apparently alleging that the work they did by
> contract for Greensides Inc was not paid for, and that they are owed the
> original amount plus interest plus $200 a day for an extended period due
> thanks to particulars in the contract.****
>
>  ****
>
> They are also alleging that Tom's old friend Doug Wilson is one of the
> board members of Greensides and that as they believe that Greensides was
> not setup correctly as a corporation that they can try to get the money
> they allege is owed to them directly from Doug and the two other defendants
> and apparently 5 "John Does" which are presumably other Greensides Inc
> board members.****
>
>  ****
>
> Take the above with a grain of salt, I just skimmed it.  I am not a
> lawyer, etc, etc.****
>
>  ****
>
> I'm sure Tom is saddened to know that Doug is named in this court document
> and is trying to garner community support for his plight :)****
>
>  ****
>
> Paul****
>
>  ****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Joe Campbell < <philosopher.joe at gmail.com><philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart < <godshatter at yahoo.com> <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Cares < <moscowcares at moscow.com> <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> moscowcares at moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 < <vision2020 at moscow.com><vision2020 at moscow.com>
> vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2012 2:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
> Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)****
>
> ** **
>
> What is it?****
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Paul Rumelhart < <godshatter at yahoo.com><godshatter at yahoo.com>
> godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:****
>
> You must be positively giddy about this :)****
>
>  ****
>
> Paul****
>
>  ****
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> *From:* Moscow Cares < <moscowcares at moscow.com> <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> moscowcares at moscow.com>
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020 < <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2012 11:55 AM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
> Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)****
>
>
> As I am busy converting and formatting various documents, you are free to
> browse . . .
>
> Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson,
> Gray, and Hoffman)
> <http://www.MoscowCares.com/GermerGreensides/><http://www.MoscowCares.com/GermerGreensides/>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com/GermerGreensides/
>
> Stay tuned, V-Peeps, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> <http://www.MoscowCares.com> <http://www.MoscowCares.com>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
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