[Vision2020] Note to Donovan: Here's some convincing testament.

Thu Jul 19 21:24:04 PDT 2012

We are in complete agreement.

w.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Art - If I were on the jury and Zimmerman got on the stand and testified
> under SWORN OATH that he believed Trayvon Martin's death was the result of
> 'God's will', I'd probably look for every possible way in the evidence as
> presented to convict him on all counts. And if that resulted in him
> spending any of his natural days behind bars for his actions, I'd rest
> assured that he understood his conviction and incarceration was 'God's
> will'.  BTW - I was foreman of a jury 3 years ago and we convicted the drug
> dealer on all counts (2 of which his defense attorney had simply conceded).
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:52:36 -0700
> From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Note to Donovan: Here's some convincing
> testament.
>
>
> Scott,
>
> I agree with most of what you said except that I think it highly probable
> that the "God's Plan" justification was a post event rationalization, and
> most likely a post event justification of which Zimmerman may have
> convinced himself of its truth.  Without a through knowledge of Zimmerman's
> background and beliefs, it is not possible to be apodectic about his
> sincerity on this issue.
>
> The tragedy is not only the loss of Martin's life and its potential, but
> the effects of that loss on his family and friends.  It is also a tragedy
> for the Zimmermans.  The best that we can hope for is that some practical
> and well executed lessons are learned from this tragedy.
>
> The other sad fact is this:  This crime is but one of many, many for which
> the excuse is something of the order of "God told me to do it", "It was
> God's will", "I did for the glory of God", or etc  Such excuses seem
> pathological to me, and generally to the courts where such excuses for
> crimes generally result in convictions and imprisonment or commitment to a
> mental health facility upon a finding of insanity.
>
> A work by William James, American philosopher, psychologist, and successor
> to Charles Sanders Pierce in the development of Pragmatism, entitled *The
> Varieties of Religious Experience* (
> http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JamVari.html)* *offers
> some insight into this issue, as do many succeeding works by other
> authors.
>
>
>
> w.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>  Once again Art.  Man has created God in his own image - an Zimmerman's
> creation is obviously not one of 'non-existence' as is yours.  What
> Zimmerman is saying seems to me to be the God's honest truth about what he
> believes in order to be able to not only live with his actions, but also to
> be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience.  I feel sorry for
> Trayvon Martin's parents to have to hear their son's killer say something
> like this after the tragic and seemingly preventable loss of their son.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:05:52 -0700
> From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Note to Donovan: Here's some convincing testament.
>
>
>     Print<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/19/zimmerman-says-sorry-trayvon-martin-family-had-to-bury-their-child-family-calls/print#>
> Close<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/19/zimmerman-says-sorry-trayvon-martin-family-had-to-bury-their-child-family-calls/print#>
> Zimmerman says he's sorry Trayvon Martin's family had to bury their child;
> family calls apology insincere
> Published July 19, 2012
> | FoxNews.com
> advertisement
>  George Zimmerman, in an interview Wednesday with Fox News' Sean Hannity,
> called the shooting death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin a "tragic
> situation" and "the most difficult thing I'll ever go through in my life."
> The volunteer neighborhood watch leader spoke about details of the
> shooting, said he's sorry that Martin’s mother and father had to bury their
> child and, when asked if he regrets anything that happened that February
> night, he said, "No."
>
> *"I feel that it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or
> judge it," Zimmerman shook his head.*
>
> *Martin's mother and father watched the interview and appeared on "Fox &
> Friends" Thursday morning. His mother and father both said Zimmerman's
> apology appeared insincere and were troubled that the man accused of
> killing their son considered it all "God’s plan."*
>
> *"I don't understand what he was thinking by saying it was God's plan
> that he murdered our child," Tracy Martin, the teen’s father said. "I
> really don’t understand what God he worships because it’s not the same God
> that I worship."*
>
> *Sabrina Fulton, Martin’s mother, also appeared angered by the comment.*
>
> *"Why would God have him kill an unarmed teenager?" she asked. "It makes
> no sense."*
> During the interview with Hannity, Zimmerman said he followed Martin
> because he looked suspicious running between houses in the rain.
> Martin turned to confront Zimmerman and "asked me what my problem was"
> before the exchange escalated into violence, Zimmerman told Hannity in his
> first TV interview, conducted in an undisclosed location in Florida. The
> 28-year-old, with his attorney sitting by his side, said he reached into
> his pocket to find his phone to call 911 for a second time, and "I looked
> up and he punched me and broke my nose."
> At one point Zimmerman said he heard Martin "telling me he’s going to kill
> me."
> Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for shooting and killing
> 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., though he says he acted in
> self-defense. At first, "I didn't think I hit him," Zimmerman said, adding
> he only found out later that Martin had died.
> Now he is in hiding and said he feels his life is in jeopardy, based on
> death threats he has received. He told Fox News that on the night of the
> shooting he had gone out to shop at Target -- "that's the last time I've
> been home."
> The case drew intense national attention as speculation grew about the
> motives for the shooting, especially given that Martin was black. Zimmerman
> has white and Hispanic heritage.
> He dismissed suggestions by some that he acted out of racism.
> "I don't think it's fair that they rushed to judgment to assume that," he
> told Fox News.
> Police initially declined to press charges, citing Florida's so-called
> "Stand Your Ground" law. But a special prosecutor who was called in to
> investigate concluded that the evidence didn't support Zimmerman's claims,
> and the murder charge was filed.
> When asked what he would say to Martin's parents, Zimmerman said, "I would
> tell them that, again, I'm sorry."
> "My wife and I don’t have any children," Zimmerman told Hannity. "I have
> nephews that I love more than life. I love them more than myself. And I
> know when they were born, it was a different unique bond and love that I
> have with them. And I love my children even though that they aren’t born
> yet.
> "I am sorry that they buried their child. I can’t imagine what it must
> feel like. I pray for them daily."
> Zimmerman, who is free on bond in Florida while awaiting trial, has
> pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.
> Hannity had spoke with Zimmerman, 28, off the record in April when he
> contacted Hannity against the advice of his attorneys. Both Hannity and
> Zimmerman denied claims that Hannity offered the murder suspect any
> financial assistance or payment.
> The interview concluded with Zimmerman looking into the camera and saying
> that he wishes the night hadn't ended in Martin's death.
> "I do want to tell everyone, my wife, my family, my parents, my
> grandmother, the Martins, the city of Sanford and America that I'm sorry
> that this happened," he said. "I hate to think that because of this
> incident, because my actions, it's polarized and divided American. And I'm
> truly sorry."
>
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