[Vision2020] Note to Donovan: Here's some convincing testament.

Thu Jul 19 20:45:44 PDT 2012

Art - If I were on the jury and Zimmerman got on the stand and testified under SWORN OATH that he believed Trayvon Martin's death was the result of 'God's will', I'd probably look for every possible way in the evidence as presented to convict him on all counts. And if that resulted in him spending any of his natural days behind bars for his actions, I'd rest assured that he understood his conviction and incarceration was 'God's will'.  BTW - I was foreman of a jury 3 years ago and we convicted the drug dealer on all counts (2 of which his defense attorney had simply conceded).

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:52:36 -0700
From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Note to Donovan: Here's some convincing testament.

Scott,

I agree with most of what you said except that I think it highly probable that the "God's Plan" justification was a post event rationalization, and most likely a post event justification of which Zimmerman may have convinced himself of its truth.  Without a through knowledge of Zimmerman's background and beliefs, it is not possible to be apodectic about his sincerity on this issue.

The tragedy is not only the loss of Martin's life and its potential, but the effects of that loss on his family and friends.  It is also a tragedy for the Zimmermans.  The best that we can hope for is that some practical and well executed lessons are learned from this tragedy.

The other sad fact is this:  This crime is but one of many, many for which the excuse is something of the order of "God told me to do it", "It was God's will", "I did for the glory of God", or etc  Such excuses seem pathological to me, and generally to the courts where such excuses for crimes generally result in convictions and imprisonment or commitment to a mental health facility upon a finding of insanity.

A work by William James, American philosopher, psychologist, and successor to Charles Sanders Pierce in the development of Pragmatism, entitled The Varieties of Religious Experience (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JamVari.html) offers some insight into this issue, as do many succeeding works by other authors.  

w.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Once again Art.  Man has created God in his own image - an Zimmerman's creation is obviously not one of 'non-existence' as is yours.  What Zimmerman is saying seems to me to be the God's honest truth about what he believes in order to be able to not only live with his actions, but also to be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience.  I feel sorry for Trayvon Martin's parents to have to hear their son's killer say something like this after the tragic and seemingly preventable loss of their son.

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:05:52 -0700
From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: [Vision2020] Note to Donovan: Here's some convincing testament.

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     	Zimmerman says he's sorry Trayvon Martin's family had to bury their child; family calls apology insincere

		Published July 19, 2012 | FoxNews.com

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		George Zimmerman, in an interview Wednesday with Fox News' Sean 
Hannity, called the shooting death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin a 
"tragic situation" and "the most difficult thing I'll ever go through in
 my life."

The volunteer neighborhood watch leader spoke about details of the 
shooting, said he's sorry that Martin’s mother and father had to bury 
their child and, when asked if he regrets anything that happened that 
February night, he said, "No."

"I feel that it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it," Zimmerman shook his head.

Martin's mother and father watched the interview and appeared on "Fox
 & Friends" Thursday morning. His mother and father both said 
Zimmerman's apology appeared insincere and were troubled that the man 
accused of killing their son considered it all "God’s plan."

"I don't understand what he was thinking by saying it was God's plan 
that he murdered our child," Tracy Martin, the teen’s father said. "I 
really don’t understand what God he worships because it’s not the same 
God that I worship."

Sabrina Fulton, Martin’s mother, also appeared angered by the comment.

"Why would God have him kill an unarmed teenager?" she asked. "It makes no sense."

During the interview with Hannity, Zimmerman said he followed Martin 
because he looked suspicious running between houses in the rain.

Martin turned to confront Zimmerman and "asked me what my problem 
was" before the exchange escalated into violence, Zimmerman told Hannity
 in his first TV interview, conducted in an undisclosed location in 
Florida. The 28-year-old, with his attorney sitting by his side, said he
 reached into his pocket to find his phone to call 911 for a second 
time, and "I looked up and he punched me and broke my nose."

At one point Zimmerman said he heard Martin "telling me he’s going to kill me."

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for shooting and 
killing 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., though he says 
he acted in self-defense. At first, "I didn't think I hit him," 
Zimmerman said, adding he only found out later that Martin had died.

Now he is in hiding and said he feels his life is in jeopardy, based 
on death threats he has received. He told Fox News that on the night of 
the shooting he had gone out to shop at Target -- "that's the last time 
I've been home."

The case drew intense national attention as speculation grew about 
the motives for the shooting, especially given that Martin was black. 
Zimmerman has white and Hispanic heritage.

He dismissed suggestions by some that he acted out of racism.

"I don't think it's fair that they rushed to judgment to assume that," he told Fox News.

Police initially declined to press charges, citing Florida's 
so-called "Stand Your Ground" law. But a special prosecutor who was 
called in to investigate concluded that the evidence didn't support 
Zimmerman's claims, and the murder charge was filed.

When asked what he would say to Martin's parents, Zimmerman said, "I would tell them that, again, I'm sorry."

"My wife and I don’t have any children," Zimmerman told Hannity. "I 
have nephews that I love more than life. I love them more than myself. 
And I know when they were born, it was a different unique bond and love 
that I have with them. And I love my children even though that they 
aren’t born yet.

"I am sorry that they buried their child. I can’t imagine what it must feel like. I pray for them daily."

Zimmerman, who is free on bond in Florida while awaiting trial, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.

Hannity had spoke with Zimmerman, 28, off the record in April when he
 contacted Hannity against the advice of his attorneys. Both Hannity and
 Zimmerman denied claims that Hannity offered the murder suspect any 
financial assistance or payment.

The interview concluded with Zimmerman looking into the camera and 
saying that he wishes the night hadn't ended in Martin's death.

"I do want to tell everyone, my wife, my family, my parents, my 
grandmother, the Martins, the city of Sanford and America that I'm sorry
 that this happened," he said. "I hate to think that because of this 
incident, because my actions, it's polarized and divided American. And 
I'm truly sorry."

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