[Vision2020] A Liberal

[Scott Dredge]

The trouble with making exceptions like banning 'armor piercing bullets' is then that those against guns and ammo use that to tag 90+ percent of bullets as 'armor piercing'.  I'd be more apt to listen to armor wearers who most at risk of being in the line of fire (police, swat teams) what they think about such a ban and using what metrics to determine what is allowed / not allowed.  After that it's up to the courts to decide if such a ban can pass Constitutional muster.  The only armor I have is flesh and bone so I might be able to stop a paint ball on my own.

> CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Liberal
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:02:18 -0700
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> 
> As I have stated in the past in words to the affect . . .
> 
> I totally support the letter and spirit of the second amendment.  However, I draw the line somewhere after skeet shooting and looooooonnnnng before somebody drives a fully loaded M2 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle down Main Street.
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
> 
> - Unknown
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 14:53, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > There is also Amendment IX: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of
> > certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others
> > retained by the people." Thus, we can restrict rights precisely when
> > they "deny or disparage" other rights. Or in other words: no one has
> > the right to do wrong. I think the idea that the 2nd amendment
> > "protects" the "right" to purchase, say, armor piercing bullets is
> > wrong headed. Joe
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sure...there are some extreme cases where restrictions make sense (e.g.
> >> falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater).  I suppose there may even be
> >> some extreme case limiting access to abortion (e.g. doctors recommend
> >> terminating a pregnancy to save the life of an incapacitated woman who's
> >> husband, parents, children, and close friends all truthfully testify in
> >> legal depositions that the woman would not want such a pregnancy
> >> terminated).
> >> 
> >> There are always extreme corner case scenarios that you can dream up and
> >> even harder to believe ones that occur in real life that necessitate some
> >> safeguarding limitations.
> >> 
> >> -Scott
> >> 
> >>> CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Liberal
> >>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:21:50 -0700
> >>> To: thansen at moscow.com
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Me too. I think the view that gun rights can NEVER be restricted is false.
> >>> All rights can be restricted. If free speech can be restricted than gun
> >>> rights can be restricted. Joe
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> I own a shotgun myself. I believe in, and support, the second amendment.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>> 
> >>>> "If not us, who?
> >>>> If not now, when?"
> >>>> 
> >>>> - Unknown
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:44, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I'd say it's not inconsistent then that a Liberal can also support 2nd
> >>>>> Amendment gun ownership rights to - among other things - protect property
> >>>>> and person. :-)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:39:41 -0700
> >>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] A Liberal
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> "If not us, who?
> >>>>> If not now, when?"
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> - Unknown
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
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