[Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Fri Jul 13 08:17:25 PDT 2012
I wouldn't say they were traitors either, though the display strikes me as a bad idea.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well and concisely put. Thank you.
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> I posted this yesterday in the early part of the discussion but it didn't take. Allow me to reiterate:
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> By the way confederate soldiers, political figures, and sympathizers are not traitors.
> No one was put on trial for treason after the war up to and including Jefferson Davis. He was released from custody 13 May 1867 after a finding by U.S. Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase that there was nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit secession of states. If secession was not illegal, neither Davis nor any other Confederate could possibly be guilty of treason simply for wanting to sever relations with the north and by extension the United States.
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> g
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> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Dave McGraw <dave at elkrivertv.net> wrote:
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> “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
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> We remember the past, the good, the bad, and the ugly
> DMc
> From: Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:40 AM
> To: Scott Dredge ; thansen at moscow.com ; viz
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks
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> I wouldn't have used a General that lost on his home turf with superior firepower as an example of good leadership. I would have instead used the semiconscious drunken Gen. Grant falling off his horse chasing the fleeing bleeding wounded Confederate soldiers across a body ridden battlefield with a bottle of whiskey in one hand and big fat smoking cigar in other. The title underneath, "How the North Won." And a quote from Gen. Grant. "Anyone seen my bottle?"
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> Donovan J. Arnold
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> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: thansen at moscow.com; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks
> Good luck baiting Gary on anything Tom. I remember this event but can't answer your questions below without going back into the archives (or onto your site) which I'm too lazy to do. But obviously the presenter was from our least favorite / unfriendly church with the 'pastor' who has an unwavering adoration of the Antebellum South.For me personally - better the devil you know - so I'd rather them just be their typical true selves so that everyone can see them for who they really are and watch them eventually get their just deserts - which almost never seems to fail.-Scott
> From: thansen at moscow.comDate: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:00:58 -0700To: jampot at roadrunner.comCC: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks
> Pop quiz, Mr. Crabtree . . .
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> The graphic below, and several other similar graphics, was presented at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors Annual Retreat on August 5, 2004 as part of a discussion on leadership.
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> Who was the presenter and what elected position did (s)he hold at that time?
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> Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
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> - Unknown
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> On Jul 12, 2012, at 19:45, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> The flag is part of a historical display and is in no way a "celebration" of the confederacy. If you are bound and determined to have a conniption every time the stars and bars pops up you're destined to spend way too much time in a hyper agitated state. Some folks like that I guess but, I would find it tiresome. What is hard to defend is the silly notion that every time this flag pops up that it has to be construed as a statement that all all things antebellum were wonderful and need to be brought back. Some things may have been and some definitely weren't with slavery being chief amongst the evils. It's gone now (thank goodness, good riddance) and it's not coming back no matter how may flags fly. From a practical stand point it would make more sense to develop a case of knicker kink over the flags of Mauritania, Sudan, Niger, Mali, Pakistan, and the UAE. Countries where slavery is actively practiced.
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> Thank you for your kind seasonal wishes ("stout" fellas like myself enjoy the heat like goldfish enjoy the Gobi) and my best to you and yours.
>
> g
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> P.S. I was wrong in my earlier post in referring to the handgun in the display as a pistol. It is a revolver. A pal of mine pointed this out to me within about 40 seconds of my hitting the send key. I should (and do) know better. My head hangs in abject shame...
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> ... and now I'm over it.
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> From: Rosemary Huskey
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:36 PM
> To: 'Gary Crabtree'
> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks
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> Gary, you are just plain wrong about this. There is a ton of material available locally about the GAR, pictures of GAR parades down a very muddy Main St., and lots of local newspaper stories about candidates running for local office and bragging about their Union experience. It would take less than three hours and a few bucks to get a mighty fine display put together. None of which has anything on earth to do with a confederate rag and the pointless display of an old pistol in our court house.
> Self righteous rant my ass, mindless defense of the indefensible ought to be your concern.
> But, I do hope you are having a nice summer.
> Rose
> From: Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: Rosemary Huskey
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks
>
> Talk about mole hill to mountain mutations, this display has been up in the courthouse lobby for months. Previously it contained a similarly educational display with WW II as the topic of interest. I take it that no one on this forum who is wailing and gnashing their teeth has actually looked at the display. There is nothing in it that is even remotely a "celebration" of the confederacy. Aside from the flag and a pistol, every thing else is union memorabilia and items with a connection between the GAR and various locals.
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> It sure doesn't take much to set the usual suspects off on a self righteous rant.
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> g
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I am sorry to be writing to you with a complaint but I must. I know that you and the other county commissioners are not responsible for the display in the lobby of the courthouse. Nonetheless, the fact that that display as been up for at least two days without (apparently) concern on your part is making my head explode. (Maybe you are out of town and don’t know about this – if so, I apologize to you) I hate to use the expression WTF, but really Tom, WTF. What would national news outlets think, given Idaho’s connection with the Aryan Nations, Doug Wilson’s Southern Slavery as It Was, and local freaky Tea Party morons who think State’s Rights trump all? If the Confederacy is going to celebrated front and center in the Courthouse it is my expectation that the following images (make sure the county contacts the appropriate parties for permission to show what the Confederacy really represented.
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> http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&biw=1252&bih=553&tbm=isch&tbnid=1saW5ihZa0wCNM:&imgrefurl=http://www.nps.gov/liho/historyculture/slavery.htm&docid=eRJwpL7MsegHkM&imgurl=http://www.nps.gov/liho/historyculture/images/slavery.jpg&w=295&h=340&ei=0k3_T6ecDoeh2QWpms2dBA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=391&vpy=173&dur=1&hovh=241&hovw=209&tx=97&ty=94&sig=108509628582744690057&page=1&tbnh=156&tbnw=135&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:148
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> http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/current-arguments-about-slavery/
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> And, while I am exploding (but not at you) could you please let me and the rest of your Latah County constituency know who is responsible for this display. I can’t believe that Ms. Petersen has any interest in glorify the pestilent-ridden sink hole of the Ol’ South.
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> Thanks, and I so hope I won’t to be this crabby for at least the rest of the summer.
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> Rose Huskey
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