<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I wouldn't say they were traitors either, though the display strikes me as a bad idea.<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Well and concisely put. Thank you.</div><div> </div><div>I posted this yesterday in the early part of the discussion but it didn't take. Allow me to reiterate:</div><div> </div><div>By the way confederate soldiers, political figures, and sympathizers are not traitors.</div>
<div>No one was put on trial for treason after the war up to and including Jefferson Davis. He was released from custody 13 May 1867 after a finding by U.S. Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase that there was nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit secession of states. If secession was not illegal, neither Davis nor any other Confederate could possibly be guilty of treason simply for wanting to sever relations with the north and by extension the United States.</div>
<div> </div><div>g<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Dave McGraw <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@elkrivertv.net" target="_blank">dave@elkrivertv.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
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<div><font face="Times New Roman">“Those who cannot remember the past are
condemned to repeat it"</font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman">We remember the past, the good, the bad, and
the ugly </font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman"><font face="Calibri">DMc</font> <br></font>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 13, 2012 12:40 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="scooterd408@hotmail.com" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Scott Dredge</a> ; <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>
; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">viz</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No
Thanks</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div><span>I wouldn't have used a
General that lost on his home turf with superior firepower as an example of good
leadership. I would have instead used the <span><span>semiconscious</span></span> drunken Gen. Grant falling off
his horse chasing the fleeing bleeding wounded <span><span>Confederate</span></span> <span><span>soldiers</span></span> across a body ridden battlefield with
a bottle of <span><span>whiskey</span></span>
in one hand and big fat smoking cigar in other. The title underneath, "How the
North Won." And a quote from Gen. Grant. "Anyone seen my bottle?"</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan J.
Arnold</span></div>
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<div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);line-height:0;font-size:0px;min-height:0px" readonly=""></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Scott Dredge
<<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>; viz
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 13, 2012 1:13
AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] A
Celebration of the Confederacy - No Thanks<br></font></div><u></u>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">Good luck baiting Gary on anything Tom. I remember this event
but can't answer your questions below without going back into the archives (or
onto your site) which I'm too lazy to do. But obviously the presenter was
from our least favorite / unfriendly church with the 'pastor' who has an
unwavering adoration of the Antebellum South.<u></u><u></u>For me personally -
better the devil you know - so I'd rather them just be their typical true selves
so that everyone can see them for who they really are and watch them eventually
get their just deserts - which almost never seems to
fail.<u></u><u></u>-Scott<u></u><u></u>
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<div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);line-height:0;font-size:0px;min-height:0px" readonly=""></div>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><u></u>Date: Thu, 12 Jul
2012 20:00:58 -0700<u></u>To: <a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a><u></u>CC:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><u></u>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the
Confederacy - No Thanks<u></u><u></u>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Pop quiz, Mr. <span>Crabtree</span> . . .</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The graphic below, and several other similar graphics, was presented at the
Moscow Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors Annual Retreat on August 5, 2004
as part of a discussion on leadership.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Who was the presenter and what elected position did (s)he hold at that
time?</div>
<div> </div>
<div><image.jpeg><u></u><u></u>
<div><span>Seeya</span> round town, Moscow.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div> </div>
<div>"If not us, who?</div>
<div>If not now, when?"</div>
<div> </div>
<div>- Unknown</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></div>
<div><u></u>On Jul 12, 2012, at 19:45, "Gary <span>Crabtree</span>" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">The flag is part of a historical display
and is in no way a "celebration" of the confederacy. If you are bound and
determined to have a conniption every time the stars and bars pops up you're
destined to spend way too much time in a hyper agitated state. Some folks like
that I guess but, I would find it tiresome. What is hard to defend is the
silly notion that every time this flag pops up that it has to be construed as
a statement that all all things antebellum were wonderful and need to be
brought back. Some things may have been and some definitely weren't with
slavery being chief amongst the evils. It's gone now (thank goodness, good
riddance) and it's not coming back no matter how may flags fly. From a
practical stand point it would make more sense to develop a case of knicker
kink over the flags of Mauritania, Sudan, Niger, Mali, Pakistan, and the <span>UAE</span>. Countries where slavery is actively
practiced.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Thank you for your kind seasonal wishes
("stout" fellas like myself enjoy the heat like goldfish enjoy the Gobi) and
my best to you and yours.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">g</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">P.S. I was wrong in my earlier post in
referring to the handgun in the display as a pistol. It is a revolver. A pal
of mine pointed this out to me within about 40 seconds of my hitting the send
key. I should (and do) know better. My head hangs in abject
shame...</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">... and now I'm over it.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rosemary <span>Huskey</span></a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:36 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Gary <span>Crabtree</span>'</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Moscow Vision 2020'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of the Confederacy - No
Thanks</div></div></div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Gary, you
are just plain wrong about this. There is a ton of material available
locally about the GAR, pictures of GAR parades down a very muddy Main St., and
lots of local newspaper stories about candidates running for local office and
bragging about their Union experience. It would take less than three
hours and a few bucks to get a mighty fine display put together. None of which
has anything on earth to do with a confederate rag and the pointless display
of an old pistol in our court house. </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Self
righteous rant my ass, mindless defense of the indefensible ought to be your
concern.</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"sans-serif";font-size:11pt">But, I do
hope you are having a nice summer.</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Rose</span></div>
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<div><b><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Gary <span>Crabtree</span> [mailto:<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rosemary <span>Huskey</span><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Celebration of
the Confederacy - No Thanks</span></div></div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>Talk about mole hill to mountain
mutations, this display has been up in the courthouse lobby for months.
Previously it contained a similarly educational display with WW II as the
topic of interest. I take it that no one on this forum who is wailing and
gnashing their teeth has actually looked at the display. There is nothing in
it that is even remotely a "celebration" of the confederacy. Aside from the
flag and a pistol, every thing else is union memorabilia and items with a
connection between the GAR and various locals.</div></div>
<div>
<div> </div></div>
<div>
<div>It sure doesn't take much to set the
usual suspects off on a self righteous rant.</div></div>
<div>
<div> </div></div>
<div>
<div style="margin-bottom:12pt">g</div></div>
<div>
<div>On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Rosemary
<span>Huskey</span> <<a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Tom,</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="margin-left:0.5in">I am sorry to
be writing to you with a complaint but I must. I know that you and the
other county commissioners are not responsible for the display in the lobby of
the courthouse. Nonetheless, the fact that that display as been up for
at least two days without (apparently) concern on your part is making my head
explode. (Maybe you are out of town and don’t know about this – if so, I
apologize to you) I hate to use the expression <span>WTF</span>, but really Tom, <span>WTF</span>. What would national news outlets think, given
Idaho’s connection with the Aryan Nations, Doug Wilson’s <i>Southern Slavery
as It Was</i>, and local freaky Tea Party morons who think State’s Rights
trump all? If the Confederacy is going to celebrated front and center in
the Courthouse it is my expectation that the following images (make sure the
county contacts the appropriate parties for permission to show what the
Confederacy really represented. </div>
<div style="margin-left:0.5in"> </div>
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<div><a href="http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/current-arguments-about-slavery/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/current-arguments-about-slavery/</a></div>
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<div>And, while I am exploding (but not at
you) could you please let me and the rest of your <span>Latah</span> County constituency know who is responsible for this
display. I can’t believe that Ms. Petersen has any interest in glorify
the pestilent-ridden sink hole of the <span>Ol</span>’ South.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks, and I so hope I won’t to be this
crabby for at least the rest of the summer. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Rose <span>Huskey</span></div>
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