[Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic eruptions could cool climate

Thu Jul 12 01:24:54 PDT 2012

In part, Scott wrote:

"You can call them greedy and selfish and what not, but it is human nature
to care more about your and your families needs rather than sacrificing your
money for the supposed good of *everyone* else.  And calling them greedy and
selfish isn't going change anything one iota."

Ahh, clearly Scott has more of an Hobbesian perspective than do those who
value and practice altruism.  Fortunately for the world, neuroscientists
have shown that altruism actually exists - at least in some of us -- and
that posterior superior temporal cortex functions differently in some people
than in others, else humanity would be doomed, IMHO.  Imagine where humanity
would be were it not for altruism!

It's pretty convenient, though, and somewhat self-serving, it seems to me,
to try to present greed and selfishness as simply "human nature" rather
discussing altruism as something to strive for for the betterment of
individuals and the human race . . . as something that absolutely is just as
much "human nature" as some argue are selfishness and greed.

I don't dispute that too many people, particularly in capitalistic
societies, are motivated by personal greed & selfishness; what I reject is
some notion that greed & selfishness are inevitable consequences of the
human condition and should be accepted . . . and acceptable.

JMHO,

Saundra

Moscow, ID

Shall we make a new rule of life from tonight:  always try to be a little
kinder than necessary.

~ Sir James M. Barrie

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:19 PM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com; viz
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
eruptions could cool climate

I agree - that is the reality with this (and most other things).  I also
agree that turning it into an economic problem for those causing it was
resolve it.  That's the tough hurdle to overcome and that's why people are
fighting it so much because costing them money causes them immediate pain
whereas global warming - at most - might cause them discomfort when and only
when they're outside of their own climate controlled environment.

You can call them greedy and selfish and what not, but it is human nature to
care more about your and your families needs rather than sacrificing your
money for the supposed good of *everyone* else.  And calling them greedy and
selfish isn't going change anything one iota.

-Scott

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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:22:40 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
eruptions could cool climate
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com

If you want to solve the global warming problem turn it into an economic
problem for those causing it and it will resolve itself. 

When slaves were dying in huge numbers on the ships brought over from
Africa, they reduced the number of deaths by turning it into an economic
problem. Instead of paying the shippers for every slave that walked on to
the ship in Africa, they paid them for only the slaves that were able to
walk off the ship in America. Suddenly, the death rate of slaves brought
over dropped in half. No other regulations regarding treatment of slaves was
nearly as successful in reducing deaths of slaves in transport. 

Reduce tax breaks or withhold federal aid to areas where the air quality
drops. Because it is an economic problem, solutions would be found by every
community to reduce air pollution without any other regulations or laws to
meet. Place a pollution tariff on countries that don't meet air quality
standards, and people in China would soon be able to breath.

The reality is, there is no incentive, and nobody considers it their
problem. And until it is personally their problem they won't do anything
about it. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com; viz
<vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
eruptions could cool climate

Correct - and ridding the Earth of the human parasites that are infesting it
might be in the best interest of the planet as it seemed to be doing just
fine before human beings arrived on the scene.  So it all depends on what
your end goal is and I'm assuming (but correct me if I'm wrong) that you
want a healthy balance for the planet and most of the life forms presently
inhabiting it. There may not be a perfect solution to achieve this so it my
be wise to approach this as a 'best effort' along with all the necessary
trade offs required to achieve this end goal.

-Scott

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:42:53 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
eruptions could cool climate
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; art.deco.studios at gmail.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com

Well if we are just looking for something that will put us out of our misery
quickly, death would accomplish this task most efficiently. 

From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
To: art.deco.studios at gmail.com; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
eruptions could cool climate

Yes - if cooling the climate is healthier for the planet versus acid rain.
Pick your poison depending on whether you want something that puts you out
of your misery as soon as possible or not.

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:02:53 -0700
From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Researchers say aerosols from small volcanic
eruptions could cool climate

Let's see.

In order to try to produce a cooler climate, we're going to produce more
acid rain?

w.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

http://www.canada.com/technology/Researchers+aerosols+from+small+volcanic+er
uptions+could+cool/6889603/story.html

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