[Vision2020] hard to imagine

[Ron Force]

Hard to imagine Tea Partiers crossing over since polls have found they're just the conservative Republican base with another name:

July 2, 2010
Tea Party Supporters Overlap Republican Base
Eight out of 10 Tea Party supporters are Republicans
by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- There is significant overlap 
between Americans who identify as supporters of the Tea Party movement 
and those who identify as conservative Republicans. Their similar 
ideological makeup and views suggest that the Tea Party movement is more a rebranding of core Republicanism than a new or distinct entity on the American political scene...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/tea-party-supporters-overlap-republican-base.aspx

 
Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA


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 From: Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>
To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] hard to imagine
 

Well… it amazes me how my posts are either too simple and straight forward… or too long for you to give your attention to.
 
I was just pointing out that based on what I saw, this wasn’t some sort of a landslide in process, or that “the times they are ‘a changin” (to loosely quote the end of Keely’s post)… if you look at the web site that was referenced, (not just the web site that WROTE about it), it turns out it’s just one or two folks that put up a few blog posts.    
 
If you want to use the same concept as a definition of “extreme”, then it’s worth noting the domains “hippiesforgingrich.com” and “99percentersforromney.com” are still up for grabs.  Statistically, based upon the fact that NO ONE has put up a web site with these topics, these points of view could be considered even more extreme.
 
I have posted before that having an extreme viewpoint is relative to your position.  If you’re an Obama supporter, then anything to the right is extreme.  If you’re a Ron Paul supporter, then anything to the left is extreme.  
 
If you’re a [true] moderate, then anything on both ends is extreme. 
 
If you want to find middle ground, then BOTH ends of the bell-curve have to agree to meet in the middle.  Anything less, and you’ve got what we have now.
 
 
Jay
 
From:Joe Campbell [mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:10 AM
To: Jay Borden
Cc: keely emerinemix; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] hard to imagine
 
The fact below is not telling of the extreme nature of the Tea Party, Jay? Likely there would be more participants on a Jews for Hitler blog. It amazes me that you make this remark as if it were something to be proud of. I fear for the well being of our country given this level of divisiveness. How can we reach the kind of political compromise that will allow us to work together and actually solve our problems? This is not a rhetorical question; I'm genuinely anxious to know what you think. How do we find the middle ground given the political climate?
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:
Well... the “teapartyforObama.com” web site has a total of 5 [blog?] posts from a total of 2 people… since July 4th of last year.
 
So… I wouldn’t exactly call this a stampede.
 
Jay
 
From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:23 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] hard to imagine
 
You know, I'd love it if this were true, or if it represented a truly significant shift in voter thinking -- it may well be legitimate, but no less unbelievable:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/16/the-tea-party-for-obama/

Yep.  Some self-identified Tea Party activists -- "self identified" probably because their Tea Party brethren wouldn't welcome them into the fold -- evidently have seen the light.  

Perhaps this is ultimate proof that even those you'd expect to embrace one of the GOP presidential candidates are becoming aware that not a one of them, now that Huntsman is out, deserves their support, much less even five more minutes in the spotlight.  Still, I think "gobsmacked" describes what I felt after seeing this. 

Well, Bob Dylan had it right.  The times, they are a'changin' . . . 

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

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