[Vision2020] Say What?

[Donovan Arnold]

Joe,
 
Obamacare is not Universal Health Care. It is only mandated insurance. Health insurance IS NOT health care. They are not the same thing. 
 
Mandating the poor pay health insurance does as much for their health as mandating the poor to buy car insurance does for their car. Not a damn thing.
 
Donovan Arnold
 

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 From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
  

Read this over carefully. You're not against universal healthcare. You are against the US healthcare system.




On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:


Joe,
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>Nobody pays for the uninsured because they don't get treatment unless it is an emergency and then have to pay everything they have or will have to lawyers and hospitals. 
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>ERs are gold mines for hospitals. Not only do they get to sue, and do sue the hell out of anyone that comes through the door, or tap their insurance deductibles dry, they also get millions of dollars from the county taxpayer to support it. They also get millions in charity donations to pay the outrageous charges of the uninsured by the hospital. 
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>When you can get insurance and visit the ER you pay $150, and the Insurance Company pays $350 of the $500 charged. If you are uninsured you are charged $2000, and if your don't have the cash on due date, they sue you for $3000 plus lawyers fees of $1500 the next day. You can only declare bankruptcy once every 7 years. So if you are not healthy and poor, you are screwed financially and credit wise for the rest of your short life. 
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>To me it is the most disgusting thing to drain someones finances dry for a medical emergency. We are a Christian nation only in name. 
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>Donovan Arnold   
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> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
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>We already pay for the uninsured. Someone pays for unpaid emergency room visits. It is not the doctors.
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>On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Joe,
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>>I believe in Universal Healthcare. However, health insurance companies will raise their rates if they are required to give healthcare to sick people and people that are more likely to become sick. They only like to offer insurance to those that won't sap their profits. This raises the costs to consumers, because they won't want to lose profits, for their insurance rates which reduces their choices and ability to afford another service provider.
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>>Further, might I add, that if insurance is a state mandated purchase, the rates will go up because insurance companies can charge whatever they want and customers are still forced to pay for it sending many people into bankruptcy.
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>>The only way to have health care for everyone is to take the profit out of it, make people pay by ability, control costs, and focus heavily on preventive medicine.
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>>Donovan Arnold
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>>________________________________
>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> 
>>Cc: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 10:28 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
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>>I still don't get this point. My healthcare services restrict my choice too. Of course, if I didn't have healthcare, I'd have a lot more choices. I could go anywhere I wanted. But I couldn't afford healthcare. All healthcare insurance companies restrict choice but no one who has an opportunity to have good access to healthcare refuses it for this reason. No one. You don't think that this is a problem for say my healthcare providers, so why should it be a problem for universal healthcare? If this was really a problem, lots of folks who had access to healthcare insurance would reject it since no insurance companies allow you to see ANYONE you wish. Maybe this is a problem with healthcare insurance companies but this is not a problem with universal healthcare per se. It isn't as if the practice of healthcare insurance companies would change were there universal healthcare.
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>>Also, take your example. Time Warner does not provide the YES network. I could get a Dish package which has that option but it would be a LOT more expensive and I CHOOSE not to do so. It isn't as if healthcare providers PREVENT you from seeing any doctor you want. You just can't file for insurance benefits. But your CHOICES are not prevented; they are just restricted because folks in general would rather save money.
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>>On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Bad choice of words for Romney. I think what he meant was the he liked having the authority to decide who provides him services for health care. I have to agree, that it would be horrible not be able to have the power to dismiss a service provider that you don't like. Any football fan that has had Time Warner or Dish Network as a television provider would have to agree. 
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>>>Donovan Arnold
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>>> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com 
>>>Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 8:36 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
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>>>Besides the cringeworthiness of Romney's words is the reality that "firing" one's health insurance company virtually guarantees great difficulty in finding another . . . 
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>>>Keely
>>>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:58:26 -0800
>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
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>>>> "I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them.  I like being able to fire people that provide services to me."
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>>>> - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (January 9,
 2012)
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>>>> Video courtesy of the Associated Press.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBfWB64iHAs
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>>>> This video is going to get lots of mileage over the next few weeks.
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>>>> Seeya later, Moscow.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Spokane, Washington
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>>>> "If not us, who?
>>>> If not now, when?"
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>>>> - Unknown
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