<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18pt"><div><span>Joe,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Obamacare is not <span id="misspell-1"><span>Universal</span></span> Health Care. It is only mandated insurance. Health insurance IS NOT health care. They are not the same thing. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Mandating the poor pay health insurance does as much for their health as <span id="misspell-1"><span>mandating</span></span> the poor to buy car insurance does for their car. Not a damn thing.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin:
5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>; "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:39 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv838606393"><div><div>Read this over carefully. You're not against universal healthcare. You are against the US healthcare system.<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Joe,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Nobody pays for the uninsured because they don't get treatment unless it is an emergency and then have to pay everything they have or will have to lawyers and hospitals. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>ERs are gold mines for <span id="yiv838606393misspell-1"><span>hospitals</span></span>. Not
only do they get to sue, and do sue the hell out of anyone that comes through the door, or tap their insurance <span id="yiv838606393misspell-2"><span>deductibles</span></span> dry, they also get millions of dollars from the county taxpayer to support it. They also get millions in charity donations to pay the outrageous charges of the uninsured by the hospital. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>When you can get insurance and visit the ER you pay
$150, and the Insurance Company pays $350 of the $500 charged. If you are uninsured you are charged $2000, and if your don't have the cash on due date, they sue you for $3000 plus lawyers fees of $1500 the next day. You can only declare <span id="yiv838606393misspell-1"><span>bankruptcy</span></span> once every 7 years. So if you are not healthy and poor, you are screwed financially and credit wise for the rest of your short life. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>To me it is the most disgusting thing to drain someones finances dry for a medical emergency. We are a Christian nation only in name. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold </span></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin:
5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="yiv838606393hr"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>>; Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>; "<a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:10 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv838606393"><div><div>We already pay for the uninsured. Someone pays for unpaid emergency room visits. It is not the doctors.<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Joe,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I believe in Universal <span id="yiv838606393misspell-0" class="yiv838606393mark">Healthcare</span>. However, health insurance companies will raise their rates if they are required to give <span id="yiv838606393misspell-1" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> to sick people and people that are more likely to
become sick. They only like to offer insurance to those that won't sap their profits. This raises the costs to consumers, because they won't want to lose profits, for their insurance rates which reduces their choices and ability to afford another service provider.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Further, might I add, that if insurance is a state mandated purchase, the rates will go up because insurance companies can charge whatever they want and customers are
still forced to pay for it sending many people into bankruptcy.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>The only way to have health care for everyone is to take the profit out of it, make people pay by ability, control costs, and focus heavily on preventive medicine.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="yiv838606393hr"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold
<<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>>; Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 9, 2012 10:28 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Say
What?<br> </font> <br><div id="yiv838606393">I still don't get this point. My <span id="yiv838606393misspell-4" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> services restrict my choice too. Of course, if I didn't have <span id="yiv838606393misspell-5" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span>, I'd have a lot more choices. I could go anywhere I wanted. But I couldn't afford <span id="yiv838606393misspell-6" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span>. All <span id="yiv838606393misspell-7" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> insurance companies restrict choice but no one who has an opportunity to have good access to <span id="yiv838606393misspell-8" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> refuses it for this reason. No one. You don't think that this is a problem for say my <span id="yiv838606393misspell-9" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> providers, so why should it be a problem for universal <span id="yiv838606393misspell-10"
class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span>? If this was really a problem, lots of folks who had access to <span id="yiv838606393misspell-11" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> insurance would reject it since no insurance companies allow you to see ANYONE you wish. Maybe this is a problem with <span id="yiv838606393misspell-12" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> insurance companies but this is not a problem with universal <span id="yiv838606393misspell-13" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> per <span id="yiv838606393misspell-14" class="yiv838606393mark">se</span>. It isn't as if the practice of <span id="yiv838606393misspell-15" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> insurance companies would change were there universal <span id="yiv838606393misspell-16" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span>.<br>
<br>Also, take your example. Time Warner does not provide the YES network. I could get a Dish package which has that option but it would be a LOT more expensive and I CHOOSE not to do so. It isn't as if <span id="yiv838606393misspell-17" class="yiv838606393mark">healthcare</span> providers PREVENT you from seeing any doctor you want. You just can't file for insurance benefits. But your CHOICES are not prevented; they are just restricted because folks in general would rather save money.<br>
<br><div class="yiv838606393gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="yiv838606393gmail_quote">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"><div><span>Bad choice of words for <span>Romney</span>. I think what he meant was the he liked having the authority to decide who provides him services for health care. I have to agree, that it would be horrible not be able to have the power to dismiss a service provider that you don't like. Any football fan that has had Time Warner or Dish Network as a television provider would have to agree.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<font face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); line-height: 0; font-size: 0px; min-height: 0px;"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 9, 2012 8:36 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br> </font><div><div class="yiv838606393h5"> <br><div>
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Besides the <span><span id="yiv838606393misspell-20" class="yiv838606393mark">cringeworthiness</span></span> of Romney's words is the reality that "firing" <span><span id="yiv838606393misspell-21" class="yiv838606393mark">one's</span></span> health insurance company virtually guarantees great difficulty in finding another . . . <br><br>
<font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br><div>
<div></div>> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:58:26 -0800<br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> "I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them. I like being able to fire people that provide services to me."<br>
> <br>> - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (January 9,
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