[Vision2020] Globaql Food Safety Fund

Sun Jan 8 02:14:47 PST 2012

In my late night posting... I unfortunately misspelled Tom Hansen's last
name.

His posts may cause me to grind my molars... but at least he has the
decency to spell my name correctly.

(My apologies).

Jay

From: Joe Campbell [mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 10:00 PM
To: Jay Borden
Cc: Tom Hansen; lfalen; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Globaql Food Safety Fund

Petty comment, Jay. 

Take "guarantee" out of it. In life there are few guarantees. Your car
does not guarantee your transportation; oxygen, food, and water do not
guarantee life. (Were this a logic class, I would note the difference
between necessary and sufficient conditions.)

Which institution stands a better chance of securing your travel from
Lewiston to Seattle? The federal government or the state? That was Tom's
point. Since there is no single state involved in this transportation,
Tom's example of the FAA is another good example of the need for federal
government programs.

So far it seems that these federal governmental programs are OK: FAA,
Agriculture, Education, and EPA. Again, I'm willing to hear objections
to these points but as I see it the cases have been clearly made. I'm
unaware of substantive arguments against these programs, just nifty
slogans like "Big government is communism."

Note that Roger's comment about the federal government not telling us
what to eat is something that liberals can hang their hat on too since
it concerns the matter of civil LIBERTIES and the State's (broadly
concerned to include the federal government) right to limit your
behavior. I agree with Roger on this point: the State should not tell
you what to eat but neither should your state (Idaho).

One last matter, and I'm genuinely interested in your reply. What is
wrong with universal healthcare? It is a fact that insurance is
influenced by numbers: the more people insured, the lower the costs.
This is why my insurance benefits are better than those you can get at
some smaller company. And it is a fact that uninsured people have a
financial impact on the insured. Doctors, hospitals attempt to run at a
profit (if they can) so the costs incurred by those who don't pay will
be passed on to those who do pay. Knowing just these two facts, how
could it not benefit us all from a purely economical point of view to
have universal heath care? I'm aware of spurious arguments about
"limitations of doctors" but that is BS since anyone with insurance
suffers these limitations. This is an argument insurance in general.
Maybe we should do away with insurance and have everyone be responsible
for saving enough money to pay for their doctor bills as they go. Is
that your view?

But I'm a philosopher, not an economist and since you know so much more
about the business world than I do, I realize I might be missing
something. What is it?

Best, Joe

On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>
wrote:

FAA doesn't "guarantee your safety" any more than Medicare guarantees
your health.

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:17 PM
To: lfalen
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Globaql Food Safety Fund

How about the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration), Mr. Falen?  Or am I
gonna have to rely on the state of to guarantee my safety when I board
an aircraft at Boise, Lewiston, or Moscow . . . as Senator McGee taxis
the aircraft down the tarmac.

Seeya later, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Spokane, Washington

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Jan 7, 2012, at 12:56 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> There are some things the federal  government should do. Namely things
that can not be none by state or local government, Protecting the food
supply is one of them. In conjunction with private bussiness the
government should insure that the food supply is safe and also provide
education on the nutritionall value of food and health supplements. What
government at any level should not do is prohibit people from eating
what ever they desire, so long  as it does not harm someone else.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:17:50 -0800
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Globaql Food Safety Fund
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> I hope you don't take this as my being antagonistic. I know we've had
our
>> issues in the past. But how is this not "Big Government" in action?
If we
>> dismantle the government in the way that some Republicans advocate,
how are
>> initiatives like this going to be made more possible? And how can we
>> "address high priority food hazards" with restricting businesses in
certain
>> ways? These are honest questions.
>>
>> Best, Joe
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From The December.January issue of Food Safety. The Grocery
Manufactures
>>> AQssociation joined U. S. Government and World Bank officials in
announcing
>>> an innovative public-private partnership that has pledged $1million
toward
>>> the creation of the world's first Global Safety Fund. to be managed
by the
>>> World  bank. The fund is expected to grow to $15 to $20 million  in
the
>>> first decade. They will address high priority food hazards, such as
>>> aflatoxin in grain, Salmonella, Literia, Escherichia coli, and viral
and
>>> bacterial pathogens in seafood. They will also strengthen testing
and other
>>> problems involved with food safety.
>>> Roger
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