[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

Tue Jan 3 12:00:39 PST 2012

No, I’m suggesting that TOM is suggesting that Republicans are the only ones who break campaign promises.

If pointing out that a failure to keep a campaign promise extends well beyond party affiliation is “claptrap”… well, OK… I guess I’m full of it.

Jay

From: Joe Campbell [mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:26 AM
To: Jay Borden
Cc: Tom Hansen; lfalen; vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

So you' re now suggesting that liberals are the only ones who suggest that Republicans are the only ones who break campaign promises? 

Boy did I miss pointing out how absurd some of this conservative claptrap is!

But don't worry. Unlike Keely I'm not really back. Just having some fun before school starts.

On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, "Jay Borden" <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:

	So… you’re now suggesting that Republicans are the only ones that break campaign promises?  

	I’m sure that with the tiniest of digging, anyone can find scores of examples across the board… and throughout history…. of politicians that didn’t fulfill their assurances to the public while on the campaign trail.

	Jay

	From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:50 AM
	To: lfalen
	Cc: Jay Borden; Sunil Ramalingam; vision 2020
	Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

	Roger Falen urges:

	"If you make a campaign promise, keep it."

	Ya mean like like the promise, made by the GOP in November '10, of jobs, Jobs, JOBS under a new Republican-majority House of Representatives, Mr. Falen?

	Seeya later, Moscow.

	Tom Hansen

	Spokane, Washington

	"If not us, who?

	If not now, when?"

	- Unknown

	On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:38 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

		Nethercurt was a conservatism state legislator from spokane. He campaigned on term limits, saying that he would only run for one term. He then changed his mind  and ran for another term and was defeated. Rightly so. If you make a campaign promise, keep it. Helen Chenowith also campaigned on term liments. She quit when she said she would.
		Roger
		-----Original message-----
		From: "Jay Borden" jborden at datawedge.com
		Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:13:46 -0800
		To: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
		Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

		No, I don't recall George Nethercutt.  (I Googled him to see if I could

			learn more... but nothing really stands out as far as his record).

			Since (according to the interwebs) he was a Republican, I can only

			assume that he rubbed left-leaning folks the wrong way in his

			politics... perhaps under the guise of "term limits". 

			(If I'm missing something major (like he became infamous for driving the

			dodo bird to extinction or something), please send me more information

			before the public lambasting begins).   I only moved back here to Moscow

			in 2005 ... so anything local at the time surrounding him I probably

			missed.

			Of course, the Achille's Heel in the "term limits" plan is that we would

			have to take a potential politician at their word...  I suppose my

			larger point was that if we truly want a government that represents the

			people, then we *all* should set aside whatever individual

			beliefs/agendas that we have and focus on that single issue:  that a

			representative cannot hold office for longer than X terms.  Congeal

			around THAT issue and get it done... and then we can return to our

			megaload riots and NASCAR races.

			Jay

			From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com

			[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam

			Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:02 PM

			Cc: vision 2020

			Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

			Jay,

			Remember George Nethercutt? He's a good reason not to apply your

			standard. I think we'd better know all their positions before voting

			them in because they say they're for term limits.

			Sunil

			________________________________

			Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:02:49 -0800

			From: jborden at datawedge.com

			To: godshatter at yahoo.com; deco at moscow.com

			CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com

			Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

			I've been a proponent of term limits for... well, forever.  We limit the

			number of terms for our President, we need to limit the terms in our

			House and Senate.   Having people in office for *decades* does nothing

			but consolidate power and invite corruption.

			If you *truly* want representation in America, we have to rotate through

			our elected representatives... frequently.   

			To do this, Americans are going to have to put aside all other opinions

			until this is achieved.  Environment?  Abortion?  Taxes?  Left-handed

			dentists?  All of these items need to be tabled, and the *one question*

			that needs to be asked of a candidate is "Will you introduce and vote

			for term limits?"  It needs to be the *only* reason to vote for a

			candidate, and until the goal is accomplished, it needs to be the

			*only*reason that a candidate is voted FOR.

			THEN, when term limits come to fruition... when our elected

			representatives cannot stay in office and continue to consolidate power

			and control... then we can dust off our beliefs and take them to a

			government that is as elastic as the population it represents.

			Jay

			From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com

			[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart

			Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM

			To: Art Deco

			Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com

			Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

			If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto

			anything that he finds to be unconstitutional.  This will, at the very

			least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in funding

			for DHS.  Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to override the

			veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the forefront of the

			"national conversation" about what's going on in government.  For this

			alone, I'd like to see him get in there.

			Paul

			On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote: 

			I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and

			globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways of

			repairing them.  We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders who

			can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible solutions,

			and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices necessary.

			Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those leaders.

			His view of the world and his positions are too simplistic for the

			complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in.  The latest

			revelations have shown that his integrity does not rise above the

			minimum standard.  The simplicity of his views are his main attraction

			to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever producing

			workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the messes

			we now face.

			In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that

			he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in the

			face of public opinion.

			Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of leaders

			that seem capable of fixing things.  The best I can hope for is that we

			elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to struggle on.

			I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much longer.  I don't not

			want to see the result of where the world is heading and the foolishness

			of those in power resisting what needs to be done to change that

			direction.

			w.

			From: Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>  

			Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM

			Cc: vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  

			Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

			Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On defense

			spending?

			Sunil

			________________________________

			Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800

			From: godshatter at yahoo.com

			To: deco at moscow.com

			CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com

			Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

			I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the

			downslope this country is on.  For example, the Transportation Security

			Administration just got an extra $7.85 billion in funding for 2012,

			including several hundred million dollars of funding for whole body

			imagers.  This passed both the House and the Senate.  Does anyone here

			actually believe that terrorism is a personally actionable danger?  Do

			you change your behavior at all due to the threat?  Do you think all the

			security theater is worth the money?

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