[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

Tue Jan 3 11:21:58 PST 2012

So, Mr. Borden's fall-back position, in response to something of which he has no contributive argument, is . . .

"I'm rubber.  You're glue . . . "

Seeya later, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Spokane, Washington

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, "Jay Borden" <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:

> So… you’re now suggesting that Republicans are the only ones that break campaign promises? 
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:50 AM
> To: lfalen
> Cc: Jay Borden; Sunil Ramalingam; vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
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> Ya mean like like the promise, made by the GOP in November '10, of jobs, Jobs, JOBS under a new Republican-majority House of Representatives, Mr. Falen?
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> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:38 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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> Nethercurt was a conservatism state legislator from spokane. He campaigned on term limits, saying that he would only run for one term. He then changed his mind  and ran for another term and was defeated. Rightly so. If you make a campaign promise, keep it. Helen Chenowith also campaigned on term liments. She quit when she said she would.
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> From: "Jay Borden" jborden at datawedge.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:13:46 -0800
> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
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> No, I don't recall George Nethercutt.  (I Googled him to see if I could
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> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
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> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
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> Remember George Nethercutt? He's a good reason not to apply your
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> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:02:49 -0800
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> From: jborden at datawedge.com
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> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; deco at moscow.com
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
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> I've been a proponent of term limits for... well, forever.  We limit the
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> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
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> If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto
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> On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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> From: Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>  
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> Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On defense
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> I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the
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> downslope this country is on.  For example, the Transportation Security
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