[Vision2020] The Horror

[Joe Campbell]

You are jumping to conclusions that I haven't stated. IF we decide to ban
semiautomatics, what we do with the existing firearms is up in the air. I
see no use speculating about that if we can't even get to the point of
talking about the possibility of banning semiautomatics.

That future generations would not be able to own semiautomatic weapons
strikes me as a minimal infringement on liberties.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>wrote:

> Minimal? Confiscating lawfully owned, legally purchased (to the tune of
> thousands of dollars in many cases) property from millions of law abiding
> citizens? Odd definition you have for "minimal."
>
> g
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Other human beings, food, clothing, and shelter. Other than these, I
>> can't think of any material things that are essential to happiness. That is
>> why the government -- generally speaking -- can restrict almost anything
>> when it comes to material things. Not that it should. I share with you that
>> governmental restrictions should be limited. But you're not going to be
>> able to draw a line and put somethings -- guns, for instance -- on one side
>> of that line and other things on the other. What matters, in this case, is
>> whether banning semiautomatic weapons would reduce gun violence and the
>> kind of impact it would have on the lives of others. If guns would reduce
>> violence and the impact on our actual liberties would be minimal, then it
>> seems like the right thing to do.
>>
>> Unfortunately we can't really have this conversation yet, the one we
>> should be having.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you provide me with a few examples of some material things
>>> that meet your criterion for "essential to happiness?"
>>>
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not "makes you happy"; are semiautomatics essential to your happiness?
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Joe Campbell <
>>>> philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Name one use of a semiautomatic weapon that would count as a right,
>>>>> something essential to your life, liberty, and happiness. You can't do it."
>>>>>
>>>> The same argument could be applied to nearly anything. By the way
>>>> firearms make me happy so I guess you're wrong, I can "do it."
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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