[Vision2020] The Horror

[Gary Crabtree]

Minimal? Confiscating lawfully owned, legally purchased (to the tune of
thousands of dollars in many cases) property from millions of law abiding
citizens? Odd definition you have for "minimal."

g

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Other human beings, food, clothing, and shelter. Other than these, I can't
> think of any material things that are essential to happiness. That is why
> the government -- generally speaking -- can restrict almost anything when
> it comes to material things. Not that it should. I share with you that
> governmental restrictions should be limited. But you're not going to be
> able to draw a line and put somethings -- guns, for instance -- on one side
> of that line and other things on the other. What matters, in this case, is
> whether banning semiautomatic weapons would reduce gun violence and the
> kind of impact it would have on the lives of others. If guns would reduce
> violence and the impact on our actual liberties would be minimal, then it
> seems like the right thing to do.
>
> Unfortunately we can't really have this conversation yet, the one we
> should be having.
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you provide me with a few examples of some material things that
>> meet your criterion for "essential to happiness?"
>>
>>
>> g
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Not "makes you happy"; are semiautomatics essential to your happiness?
>>> No.
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Joe Campbell <
>>> philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Name one use of a semiautomatic weapon that would count as a right,
>>>> something essential to your life, liberty, and happiness. You can't do it."
>>>>
>>> The same argument could be applied to nearly anything. By the way
>>> firearms make me happy so I guess you're wrong, I can "do it."
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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