[Vision2020] The Horror

[Joe Campbell]

Paul and others seem to miss the correlation between gun violence in the US
and easy access to firearms in the US. That is why folks talk about banning
guns. There is a problem, a correlation, and the view that maybe the
correlation is a causal relation.

I'm not sure what the analogy with drunk driving is supposed to prove. In
fact, we've used the law in many ways in an attempt to reduce drunk driving
deaths: we've lowered speed limits, lowered drink limits, created traffic
stops, etc. These measures have restricted the freedoms of all of us but
the thought is that the increase in lives saved is worth the slight
decrease in freedom. Personally I'm not sure this is right but the point is
we did it, and we can talk about doing it and other things without calling
each other names and getting hysterical.

What are the rightss that you would loose were we to ban semiautomatic
weapons? The right to protect your family? You need a semiautomatic rifle
for protection? That is absurd. You don't live in Beirut. The right to form
a militia and overthrow a tyrannical government? That is absurd too. That
semiautomatic rifle is not going to help much when you're starring down a
tank!

Name one use of a semiautomatic weapon that would count as a right,
something essential to your life, liberty, and happiness. You can't do it.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com>wrote:

>  Looking at the other side of this national discussion, an interesting
> report from the PBS News Hour about attempts to improve mental health
> care.  http://video.pbs.org/video/2321198589/
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:31:15 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Horror
>
>
> I wonder if Mr. Roach can rationalise the many deaths caused by the use of
> alcohol as a recreational beverage.  Lots more people die from drunk
> drivers than die from spree shootings.  I haven't looked at the statistics,
> but I'll bet more people die from alcohol poisoning than die from them as
> well.  Then you have people that die from the effects of alcohol abuse on
> their bodies, or die from accidents involving alcohol consumption.
>
> Perhaps Mr. Roach would like to ban alcohol, too.  I have no idea.  But
> I'm guessing that the same reasons we rationalise all the drunk driving
> accidents are much the same that "gun rights defenders" use for
> rationalising these events.  The main one being that freedom comes with a
> price.  At least guns can be used for self-defense, and aren't solely
> recreational.
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/28/2012 06:21 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
>  Courtesy of today's (December 28, 2012) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with
> thanks to Jim Roach.
>
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>  The horror
>
> Hey, all you NRA gun rights defenders, please rationalize the latest
> shooting in Connecticut. Twenty first-graders and six adults dead. (I can't
> list the shooter as one of the dead, because he was already dead before he
> walked into the school).
>
> Defend it for us all so we can get behind you in support. Please, give it
> a go, we're all ears. Justify the ease with which 15, 30 even 100 round
> clips are available for our consumption. While you're at it, justify the
> 6,000 rounds found in James Holmes' apartment. Remember? He's the man who
> shot up the theatre in Colorado. Also, defend Anders Breivik and his
> possession of thousands of rounds he received through the mail so he could
> shoot up those who so thoroughly offended him. Wow, mail order ammunition
> clips.
>
> Or the Portland mall shooting. Or the Columbine High School massacre. Or
> the Arkansas school killings. Or, or, or ...
>
> Please, tell us how important matters such as "gun shows," where thousands
> of guns and ammunition are readily available with no ID or background
> checks, are necessary for our survival. Please, help someone like me, with
> so little cognitive ability, understand. I like having fun. And, I only
> require 3,000 rounds for my personal defense. I wouldn't want to arouse
> John Law by owning any more than that. Or do you think law enforcement
> would even notice?
>
> Mostly, though, I want the justification of killing 6-and 7-year-olds. Oh
> yeah, that's right, guns don't kill people, people kill people. So that's
> OK, all nice and neat with a decorative bow on the coffins. Do guns and
> ammo come gift wrapped, too?
>
> *Jim Roach*
>
> Moscow
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>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>  "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
>  Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
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