[Vision2020] Huh?

[Tom Hansen]

Agreed, and appreciated, Area Man, jus' like the Area Man I remember back on . . .

December 21, 2009


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Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
 

On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:

> Not to put too fine a point on things, but I'd venture a guess that there was significant security present when Gabrielle Giffords was shot, assuming that's the rally Sunil refers to.  And perhaps that kept things from being worse than they could have been.
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> Like Scott, I don't think any suggestions regarding "what should we do?" should be dismissed out of hand.  Get everything on the table, and bring everyone to the table.  If neither side is at least willing to do that, then I believe we are at an impasse, and we can just continue to spew venom and vitriol at each other.  
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> What fun.
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> DC
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> On Dec 22, 2012, at 8:35, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Gary,
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>> With regard to the NRA response:
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>> As my memory serves me, I think we've had shootouts at the following locations in the last 12-18 months:
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>> -an elementary school;
>> -a shopping mall;
>> -a cinema;
>> -a Sikh temple;
>> -a political rally (that was >18 months ago, I think).
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>> Should we have armed guards to protect us from each other at all of those locations?
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>> Sunil
>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>> To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; moscowlocksmith at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 06:37:40 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
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>> I thought the point here was to discuss options. Do you imagine that being extra unpleasant lends an extra level of credence to your point of view?
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>> g
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>> From: Saundra Lund
>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:18 PM
>> To: 'Gary Crabtree' ; 'viz'
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
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>> It worked soo well at Columbine, didn’t it?
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>> Confrontation by the armed officer  on campus & the exchange of fire drove one of the shooters back into the school to continue the slaughter.  There’s a stellar success!
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>> Oops – but don’t confuse you with reality & facts, right?
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>> Saundra
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>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Gary  Crabtree
>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:40 PM
>> To: Joe Campbell
>> Cc: viz
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
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>> Training to become a cop in Idaho is 10 weeks making time not much of an issue. There are quite a few things covered in POST that a school guard would not need training in (pursuit driving, crime scene investigation, etc. ) further reducing the time needed to get qualified people in place. Utilizing vets who were MP's or members of security detachments along with retired police officers would be prime candidates for positions such as this.
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>> All entry doors in a facility could be easily modified to emergency exit only except for one. This would make it so all visitors would be funneled through one door and past one armed guard.
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>> I really don't see what make this idea so unworkable other then the fact that it doesn't jibe very well with the anti-gun agenda.
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>> g
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>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Scott,
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>> There was an Assistant Director of the FBI on CNN today explaining why this cannot be implemented. Think of the training required before you release folks with guns onto school campuses. Then think of the number of schools, the number of doors to the school that would need to be guarded, the costs of training and hiring an education militia, and the number of qualified people available for those positions. This is a bad idea that does not stand a chance of getting passed. Forget about it and move on to some actual solution.
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>> Best, Joe
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>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Armed security is something that could be implemented, regulated, and enforced much more easily than gun control, gun bans, etc.  Armed security guards could be subjected to more rigorous background and mental heath checks plus mandatory training and licensing without having that pesky 2nd Amendment coming into the mix.  Somewhat similar to how we supposedly have air marshalls on some flights.  This might be one of the very few things that the Republicans would actually be OK to put on the fragile shoulders of tax paying individuals and businesses.
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>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:36:59 -0800
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Huh?
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>> "Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by that I mean armed security."
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>> - Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the National Rifle Association (December 21, 2012)
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>> http://tinyurl.com/cphq5lp
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>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>> "Moscow Cares"
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>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>> Tom Hansen
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>> Moscow, Idaho
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