[Vision2020] Huh?

Sat Dec 22 10:57:57 PST 2012

Great post, Dan. This is exactly right. Joe

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:

> Not to put too fine a point on things, but I'd venture a guess that there
> was significant security present when Gabrielle Giffords was shot, assuming
> that's the rally Sunil refers to.  And perhaps that kept things from being
> worse than they could have been.
>
> Like Scott, I don't think any suggestions regarding "what should we do?"
> should be dismissed out of hand.  Get everything on the table, and bring
> everyone to the table.  If neither side is at least willing to do that,
> then I believe we are at an impasse, and we can just continue to spew venom
> and vitriol at each other.
>
> What fun.
>
> DC
>
> On Dec 22, 2012, at 8:35, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Gary,
>
> With regard to the NRA response:
>
> As my memory serves me, I think we've had shootouts at the following
> locations in the last 12-18 months:
>
> -an elementary school;
> -a shopping mall;
> -a cinema;
> -a Sikh temple;
> -a political rally (that was >18 months ago, I think).
>
> Should we have armed guards to protect us from each other at all of those
> locations?
>
> Sunil
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> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; moscowlocksmith at gmail.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 06:37:40 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> I thought the point here was to discuss options. Do you imagine that being
> extra unpleasant lends an extra level of credence to your point of view?
>
> g
>
>  *From:* Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 8:18 PM
> *To:* 'Gary Crabtree' <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> ; 'viz'<vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
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>  It worked soo well at Columbine, didn’t it?
>
>
>
> Confrontation by the armed officer  on campus & the exchange of fire drove
> one of the shooters *back into the school* to continue the slaughter.
> There’s a stellar success!
>
>
>
> Oops – but don’t confuse you with reality & facts, right?
>
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> Saundra
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [
> mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Gary Crabtree
> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 1:40 PM
> *To:* Joe Campbell
> *Cc:* viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
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>
>
> Training to become a cop in Idaho is 10 weeks making time not much of an
> issue. There are quite a few things covered in POST that a school guard
> would not need training in (pursuit driving, crime scene investigation,
> etc. ) further reducing the time needed to get qualified people in place.
> Utilizing vets who were MP's or members of security detachments along with
> retired police officers would be prime candidates for positions such as
> this.
>
>
>
> All entry doors in a facility could be easily modified to emergency exit
> only except for one. This would make it so all visitors would be funneled
> through one door and past one armed guard.
>
>
>
> I really don't see what make this idea so unworkable other then the fact
> that it doesn't jibe very well with the anti-gun agenda.
>
>
>
> g
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> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> There was an Assistant Director of the FBI on CNN today explaining why
> this cannot be implemented. Think of the training required before you
> release folks with guns onto school campuses. Then think of the number of
> schools, the number of doors to the school that would need to be guarded,
> the costs of training and hiring an education militia, and the number of
> qualified people available for those positions. This is a bad idea that
> does not stand a chance of getting passed. Forget about it and move on to
> some actual solution.
>
> Best, Joe
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Armed security is something that could be implemented, regulated, and
> enforced much more easily than gun control, gun bans, etc.  Armed security
> guards could be subjected to more rigorous background and mental heath
> checks plus mandatory training and licensing without having that pesky 2nd
> Amendment coming into the mix.  Somewhat similar to how we supposedly have
> air marshalls on some flights.  This might be one of the very few things
> that the Republicans would actually be OK to put on the fragile shoulders
> of tax paying individuals and businesses.
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:36:59 -0800
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
>
>
> "Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over
> legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to
> school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in
> America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by
> that I mean armed security."
>
>
>
> - Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the National Rifle
> Association (December 21, 2012)
>
>
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> http://tinyurl.com/cphq5lp
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