[Vision2020] Huh?

Fri Dec 21 22:58:30 PST 2012

I don't expect more from Tom.  He's stuck in his ways and I've pointed that out 2 or 3 times before already.  I expect (meaning I foresee) the NRA to continue operating as a law abiding organization.  I did not listen to the NRA drivel because I'm not interested in listening to propaganda, grandstanding, and political posturing.  It doesn't do anything for me.  I don't personally find the NRA objectionable.  Nor do I find the ACLU objectionable.

Anyway - my general observation is that bans and restrictions of most anything (abortion, interracial marriage, sodomy laws, etc.) in this country tend to only be temporary and that it doesn't take a whole hell of a lot in terms of finding an appropriate legal challenge to strike these types of restrictions down.  If legal restrictions / bans is the plan of attack of changing the status quo, then these laws best be written in a way that can withstand a vigorous assault on them by both the NRA as well as constitutional lawyers.  And if that simply can't be done, then perhaps an approach of actually working with the NRA as an ally toward a common goal of reducing gun violence might be considered.  But that's just too far fetched.  It'd be as ridiculous as social conservatives reaching out to pro-choicers in an effort toward a common goal of reducing abortions.  Wouldn't it be?

-Scott

From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; thansen at moscow.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:54:12 -0800

Why do you expect more from Tom than you do of the NRA?  Did you listen to their drivel today?!  Do you not find it more objectionable for a national lobbying organization like the NRA with actual political power to "distract from identifying the actual problems and putting forth realistic solutions" than you for someone to do so on a community listserve?  If not, why not?  Sad.

Quite frankly, the current NRA deserves to be demonized because they became part of the problem rather than part of the solution at some point.  As I've mentioned several times before, most of my family members -- including those in the military and law enforcement -- were life-long NRA members until the NRA went completly 'round the bend.  Now, not a single one continues to support the NRA although all have remained gun enthusiasts.  They continue to lament the destruction of a formerly great (in their opinions) organization.

If you've not already done so, I highly recommend reading "Ricochet: Confessions of a Gun Lobbyist" by Richard Feldman.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012, at 09:31 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:

Thanks for demonstrating all by your lonesome, Tom, why absolutely nothing will change to the status quo.  But by all means, continue trying and failing to demonize the NRA further especially since there is no more room for them become more hated by people like you who are so easily distracted from identifying the actual problems and putting forth realistic solutions.  Sad.

From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:06:01 -0800
To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares"
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

On Dec 21, 2012, at 8:18 PM, "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
It worked soo well at Columbine, didn’t it?
Confrontation by the armed officer  on campus & the exchange of fire drove one of the shooters back into the school to continue the slaughter.  There’s a stellar success!
Oops – but don’t confuse you with reality & facts, right?

Saundra
From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Gary CrabtreeSent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: viz
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?

Training to become a cop in Idaho is 10 weeks making time not much of an issue. There are quite a few things covered in POST that a school guard would not need training in (pursuit driving, crime scene investigation, etc. ) further reducing the time needed to get qualified people in place. Utilizing vets who were MP's or members of security detachments along with retired police officers would be prime candidates for positions such as this.

All entry doors in a facility could be easily modified to emergency exit only except for one. This would make it so all visitors would be funneled through one door and past one armed guard.

I really don't see what make this idea so unworkable other then the fact that it doesn't jibe very well with the anti-gun agenda.

g

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:Scott,There was an Assistant Director of the FBI on CNN today explaining why this cannot be implemented. Think of the training required before you release folks with guns onto school campuses. Then think of the number of schools, the number of doors to the school that would need to be guarded, the costs of training and hiring an education militia, and the number of qualified people available for those positions. This is a bad idea that does not stand a chance of getting passed. Forget about it and move on to some actual solution.
Best, Joe
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:Armed security is something that could be implemented, regulated, and enforced much more easily than gun control, gun bans, etc.  Armed security guards could be subjected to more rigorous background and mental heath checks plus mandatory training and licensing without having that pesky 2nd Amendment coming into the mix.  Somewhat similar to how we supposedly have air marshalls on some flights.  This might be one of the very few things that the Republicans would actually be OK to put on the fragile shoulders of tax paying individuals and businesses.

From: thansen at moscow.comDate: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:36:59 -0800
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Huh?

"Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by that I mean armed security."

- Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the National Rifle Association (December 21, 2012)

http://tinyurl.com/cphq5lp

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Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares"
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

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