[Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'

Tue Aug 28 21:12:11 PDT 2012

No, Saundra.

I DID NOT mean to offend anybody.  I assumed that you knew me better than that.  My reference was simply, and clearly, related to sexual orientation, hence the eighth and ninth words in my posting.

My apologies for not being clear enough.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)

On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:40 PM, "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:

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> “I'm guessin' that statistics, based on the sexual orientation of those women who done had abortions, would show that the percentage attributable to lesbians would be like really, really negligible (teentsy-weentsy).”
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> Tom, knowing you, I’m sure you didn’t mean to be offensive, but to be clear:
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> Lesbian & bisexual girls and women don’t have a magic amulet that protects them from sexual crimes including rape and incest that can result in unwanted pregnancies.
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> Similarly, lesbian & bisexual women who have planned pregnancies don’t have a magic amulet that protects their fetuses from catastrophic birth defects that may make termination necessary.
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> And, lesbian & bisexual women who have planned pregnancies aren’t immune to the health consequences were pregnancy termination may be necessary for their health.
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> IOW, the numbers of lesbian & bisexual girls & women who may need safe access to pregnancy termination most definitely isn’t really, really, negligible.
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> Atrocities are no less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are called research.
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Scott Dredge
> Cc: viz
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'
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> Gollllleeee, gee, Mr. Dredge . . . 
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> I'm guessin' that statistics, based on the sexual orientation of those women who done had abortions, would show that the percentage attributable to lesbians would be like really, really negligible (teentsy-weentsy).
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> You are now free to slam me, but use some imagination and don't talk 'bout how you're gonna kick (or is "kiss" more accurate) my ass, ok?
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> Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> Tom Hansen
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> On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Your concern about women aborting babies based on sexual orientation, race, and / or gender sets up a false dilemma.  Pro-choicers tend not to discriminate against people based on those listed traits and thus are much less likely to abort due to them.  Pro-lifers who tend to more conservative and are more likely to discriminate in society based on gay, race, gender, religion, etc. will not abort for any reason. 
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> And my point that is backed by statistical fact is that women who are self-described 'pro-life', and thus are against abortions for themselves and others, are roughly 9 times less likely to be faced themselves with the decision of choosing (even though they believe that they should have no choice in the matter) to carry a Down's Syndrome pregnancy to full term.  If women have a 9x factor less of having a Down's pregnancy by being self-described 'pro-life', then it gives pause for thought.
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> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:11:35 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Sounds like genocide of people with Down's Syndrome. How sad. I use to help a young woman with Down's live independently. She was a sweet kind angel with not a evil cell in her. How people can destroy such angels from heaven is beyond me. I worry they abort babies they think will be gay, or because of their race, or gender.
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> As to your theory, Scott. I think that a pro-life woman is more like to have a baby with Down's because a pro-choice woman would be far more likely to abort it. Older women are also statistically more likely to have a baby with Down's and older women are statistically more likely to be pro-life as well.
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> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:25 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'
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> I loved the stats Dale posted on his site.  For instance, he had polling data that showed with some kooky accounting that 'The majority of Americans are pro-life'.  Shortly thereafter, he had a post titled 'Search and Destroy' which showed that 92% of Down's Syndrome pregnancies are aborted.  So let's say that both of these statistics are roughly accurate, but for crunching numbers more quickly let's say:
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> 50% of American women are pro-life and the other 50% are pro-choice
> 90% of Down's Syndrome pregnancies are aborted (assume all these abortions are by self described 'pro-choice' women)
> 10% of Down's Syndrome pregnancies are carried to term (assume all these births are by hard core pro-life women who are also NOT pro-choice for other women)
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> Clearly these numbers show that that by being 'pro-life', a woman SIGNIFICANTLY reduces her risk of having a Down's Syndrome pregnancy.  I welcome any / all comments to blow holes in my theory.
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