[Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'

Tue Aug 28 10:51:11 PDT 2012

Tom - you seem to be trying to make some sort of point that is completely orthogonal to the specific point of 'pro-life' women statistically have a 9x less chance of carrying a Down' syndrome pregnancy.  Instead of directly addressing this statistical fact, you've now seemed to have discarded the aspects of whether women with Down's pregnancies are self-described as 'pro-life' or as 'pro-choice' and have instead now have brought up some kind of 'what if' scenario regarding the sexual orientation of pregnant women in general and what percentage of pregnant lesbians would seek abortions.  Does this sum it up?  Or is your non sequitor due to Donovan's assertion that you 'don't always take the time to read what others write and has a knee jerk reactions'.  I'd guess the latter.

As for your comment regarding statistics about how many lesbians would seek abortion, I'd agree this would be a small number, but obviously it would be non-zero.  It would depend on their specific situation.  For example, they could be carrying a defective fetus and believe that it is unethical to bring a child into the world that is not whole and healthy. They could have a myriad of other reasons for seeking an abortion.  I agree that number would likely be small, but that has nothing to do with the statistical facts I've presented below regarding 'pro-life' women having a 9x less chance of carrying a Down's pregnancy.

Capiche?

-Scott

CC: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
From: thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:06:52 -0700
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com

Gollllleeee, gee, Mr. Dredge . . . 
I'm guessin' that statistics, based on the sexual orientation of those women who done had abortions, would show that the percentage attributable to lesbians would be like really, really negligible (teentsy-weentsy).
You are now free to slam me, but use some imagination and don't talk 'bout how you're gonna kick (or is "kiss" more accurate) my ass, ok?

Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 
On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Your concern about women aborting babies based on sexual orientation, race, and / or gender sets up a false dilemma.  Pro-choicers tend not to discriminate against people based on those listed traits and thus are much less likely to abort due to them.  Pro-lifers who tend to more conservative and are more likely to discriminate in society based on gay, race, gender, religion, etc. will not abort for any reason. 

And my point that is backed by statistical fact is that women who are self-described 'pro-life', and thus are against abortions for themselves and others, are roughly 9 times less likely to be faced themselves with the decision of choosing (even though they believe that they should have no choice in the matter) to carry a Down's Syndrome pregnancy to full term.  If women have a 9x factor less of having a Down's pregnancy by being self-described 'pro-life', then it gives pause for thought.

-Scott

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:11:35 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

Sounds like genocide of people with Down's Syndrome. How sad. I use to help a young woman with Down's live independently. She was a sweet kind angel with not a evil cell in her. How people can destroy such angels from heaven is beyond me. I worry they abort babies they think will be gay, or because of their race, or gender. 

As to your theory, Scott. I think that a pro-life woman is more like to have a baby with Down's because a pro-choice woman would be far more likely to abort it. Older women are also statistically more likely to have a baby with Down's and older women are statistically more likely to be pro-life as well. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
To: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:25 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'

I loved the stats Dale posted on his site.  For instance, he had polling data that showed with some kooky accounting that 'The majority of Americans are pro-life'.  Shortly thereafter, he had a post titled 'Search and Destroy' which showed that 92% of Down's Syndrome pregnancies are aborted.  So let's say that both of these statistics are roughly accurate, but for crunching numbers more quickly let's say:

50% of American women are pro-life and the other 50% are pro-choice

90% of Down's Syndrome pregnancies are aborted (assume all these abortions are by self described 'pro-choice' women)
10% of Down's Syndrome pregnancies are carried to term (assume all these births are by hard core pro-life women who are also NOT pro-choice for other women)

Clearly these numbers show that that by being 'pro-life', a woman SIGNIFICANTLY reduces her risk of having a Down's Syndrome pregnancy.  I welcome any / all comments to blow holes in my theory.

-Scott

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