[Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Aug 17 10:24:41 PDT 2012
No I dio not think that those that disagree with the Likud government are anti-Semitic. There is plenty of room for honest disagreement. Which is different from disagreeing with almost everything in reguard to Israel.
While I frequently disagree with you( I sometimes think that you are right on), I have always found you to be civil. You seem to have joined the ranks of the obnoxious.. Roger
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From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:26:36 -0700
To: lfalen at turbonet.com, vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> Then frankly Roger, I think you don't know what you're talking about.
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> Again, please tell me if Israeli Jews who disagree with the Likud government are anti-Semitic.
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> Sunil
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> > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:14:33 -0700
> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > There is an error on your previous post and I can not reply to it so I will here. I read Cockburn thirty years ago. I have from time to time read reviews of his work. While I do not read him regularly I do read other leftist. Namely Jim Hightowers "Lowdown" While a leftist he is not a Communist. I normally do not agree with him, but on occasion I do.
> > Roger
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> > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:22:31 -0700
> > To: vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > Paul,
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> > > What is the basis of your Chomsky critique below? Today's research project? Or have you read him and find fault with the basis for his conclusions? Are you saying he makes things up? What exactly do you mean, and what's your basis for your opinion?
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> > > And if he should be leaving politics to the politicians, have we then seen the last of your analyses of climate science and global warming? Will you be leaving that subject to the climate scientists?
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> > > Sunil
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> > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:18:24 -0700
> > > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
> > > To: ngier at uidaho.edu; lfalen at turbonet.com; suehovey at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > > Wikipedia claims that The Nation was founded in 1865 by abolitionists as well. I did find an article from The Nation (authored by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman) that didn't exactly deny Cambodian genocide but was definitely skeptical of U.S. claims of the number of deaths expected and so attributed, and attributed many of the deaths they did concede happened to the actions of the U.S. I didn't look up any other claims. The magazine self-describes itself as "the flagship of the Left". I've never read Alexander Cockburn and thus can't comment on his political leanings.
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> > > Link for the article mentioned above: http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19770625.htm
> > > Link to Amazon.com's subscription page where it shows the "flagship" bit in the product
> > > description: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CNEFRE/
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> > > Paul
> > > P.S. If only Noam Chomsky had stuck with context-free grammars and logical structures of linguistics and left the politics to the politicians...
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> > > From: "Gier, Nicholas" <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> > > To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>; Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>; Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > RE: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > Hi Roger,
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> > > You dug a hole for yourself and now you are digging it deeper! Please offer evidence and argument for your outrageous claims about one of the nation's most respected progressive magazines.
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> > > Nick
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> > > A society grows great when old men plant the seeds of trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
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> > > -Greek proverb
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
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> > > Sent: Thu 8/16/2012 12:09 PM
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> > > To: Gier, Nicholas; Sue Hovey; Sunil Ramalingam; vision 2020
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> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > Calling the Nation a left of center publication is putting it mildly. It was founded in 1865 by abolitionists. Since 1900 it has become a far left publication. It supported Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin and Ho Chi Minh. They denied cambodian and Soviet genocide. It had active communists as writers Being a former communist is another thing. Some of the original writers for National Review were former communists. Cockburn was defiantly anti Israel, but if you check him out on Google or Bing, you can come to no other conclusion but that he was also anti-Semitic.
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> > > Roger
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> > > From: "Gier, Nicholas" ngier at uidaho.edu
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> > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:49:36 -0700
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> > > To: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, "vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > > Roger,
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> > > > You obviously don't read much Alexander Cockburn. He was hired by the left of center journal The Nation as a columnist and he proceeded to write articles critical of every major writer on the Nation's staff. He also wrote several columns against climate scientists. The uproar from readers was dramatic, but he was not fired as a result.
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> > > > Cockburn was definitely his own man and owed allegiance to no other, especially political parties.
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> > > > And please, Roger, quit calling those who dare to speak out against Israel as anti-Semites. That is simply beyond the pale.
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> > > > Nick
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> > > > A society grows great when old men plant the seeds of trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
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> > > > -Greek proverb
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> > > > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Sue Hovey
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> > > > Sent: Thu 8/16/2012 12:21 AM
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> > > > To: Sunil Ramalingam; vision 2020
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> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > > And neither was William Raspberry a liberal. The National Review might define him as one, but, speaking for myself only, this liberal found him arrogant. Case in point...his final line in the article about Jim Comer Now there's a truly intelligent, compassionate liberal. If one really wants to know James Comer, in his book Maggie's American Dream, he tells of his mother and her place in the forming of his educational philosophy Nice book, wonderful man.
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> > > > Sue Hovey
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> > > > From: Sunil Ramalingam
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> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:57 PM
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> > > > To: vision 2020
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> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > > I thoroughly disagree with your assessment of Cockburn, Roger. I think it's nonsense and utterly meaningless. How often did you read him?
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> > > > I looked forward to his Friday Counterpunch columns and will miss his brave writing.
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> > > > Sunil
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> > > > > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:53:14 -0700
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> > > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
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> > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] The recent death of two leftists
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> > > > > William Raspberry wrote with decency; a liberal, he was fair, and independent. Dead at 76. He said " I grew up in apartheid, and yet it never induced my parents to teach us anything else than that we were responsible for 0ur own behavior, for our own minds.
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> > > > > AlexanderCockburn He was pro-Communist, a Stalin apologist and an anti-Semite. A scoundrel. Dead at 71
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> > > > > Source- National Review
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