[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .

[Wayne Price]

I trump your badgering and suppositons with one small thing, The US  
Constitution.


On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:

> Hogwash – a conviction is proof that there was no Constitutional  
> right to shoot the victim.
>
> And, just because I point out the obvious, you are way out of line  
> to label me as a “gun-a-phobe.”  What’s the matter, can’t deal with  
> logic & facts and prefer instead to deal in fantasy?
>
> Saundra
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Wayne Price
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:49 AM
> To: Paul Rumelhart
> Cc: Moscow Vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is  
> Promoting . . .
>
> Paul,
>
> Since I was the one that posted the original, I have to say YOU are  
> 100% correct!
> And notice that ANYONE  who is "charged", by standing on the rights  
> afforded them by the US Constitution in a fire arms case is being  
> labeled as  a "sniveling weanies",
> is there any reason to even try to enter into a reasonable  
> discussion with the "gun-a-phobes"?
>
> I'm waiting for the next foot to fall when they come up with only  
> police officers should carry firearms! That worked really really  
> well for
> Otto Zehm and  Erik Scott!
>
>
> Wayne
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> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:25 AM
> To: Saundra Lund; 'Moscow Vision2020'
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is  
> Promoting . . .
>
> That's not a very good characterization of what that saying means.   
> I take it to mean that if you ever find yourself in a situation  
> where you will literally die if you don't fight your way out of it,  
> then it's better to be armed and survive than to be unarmed and die  
> despite the impending court case which will follow.  Notice that it  
> doesn't mean that you should step into a situation you could easily  
> have avoided, because then the comparison is between being judged by  
> 12 vs. nothing at all.  It's all about personal defense, not some  
> kind of Rambo fetish or some bizarre need to tie up the court system.
>
> Paul
>
> From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> To: 'Moscow Vision2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is  
> Promoting . . .
>
> That might not be complete nonsense if those who’d rather be “judged  
> by 12 than carried by 6” didn’t turn into sniveling weanies when  
> they arejudged by 12.
>
> Given that, what it really  means is, “I’ve got a gun, and even  
> though those who know me know I don’t have good judgment, I’ve  
> decided I’mgoing to be judge, jury, and executioner all by myself  
> and then hope I get away with it.  And if I don’t, then I’m going to  
> rant & rave how corrupt & unfair the justice system is, and I’m  
> going to do everything in my power to not accept that judgment by  
> 12.  And, I’m going to eat up taxpayer dollars by tying up the  
> courts with my nonsense, and then I’m going to rant & rave even more  
> about how inefficient & wasteful the justice system is because I  
> don’t want to take my medicine for harming or killing another human  
> being.  And, I’m going to play financial games so that hopefully I  
> can get someone else to pay my legal expenses – there are plenty of  
> sympathetic deep pockets who disrespect the judicial system as much  
> as I do and love to waste taxpayer dollars for The Cause.”
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Wayne Price
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:50 PM
> To: Paul Rumelhart
> Cc: Moscow Vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is  
> Promoting . . .
>
> Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.
>
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