[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
Janesta
janesta at gmail.com
Sat Aug 11 19:35:04 PDT 2012
>From KHQ
LEWISTON, Idaho - Saturday morning around 8:30AM, Lewiston Police Officers
were dispatched to the 200 block of 24th St North for a pit bull that had
been shot by a pedestrian.
Upon arrival officers contacted several subjects. Lewiston residents Wayne
and Teresa Adams
advised they were walking with their dog north-bound on 24th St North when
they were charged by an aggressive Pit Bull. Adams stated he feared for his
wife's safety and she said she feared the Pit Bull was going to attack her
dog that she was holding. Adams said that as the dog continued to charge at
him and his wife, he realized that an attack was imminent. He deployed his
pistol and shot one round into the Pit Bull.
Adams and other witnesses stated that although the dog had been shot they
still had to physically remove the Pit Bull from their dog. No other animal
or person was injured in the incident. The Pit Bull was transported to the
Lewiston Vet Clinic where it was treated for a gunshot wound to the head.
The owner of the Pit Bull was identified as a juvenile residing a few
houses away from where the incident occurred. Lewiston resident, Elizabeth
Taylor, was determined to be the responsible adult party for the Pit Bull
and she was subsequently cited for Harboring a Dangerous Dog. Both Wayne
and Teresa Adams are lawful holders of Concealed Weapons Permits.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:
> I think conceal carry is like a double edged sword. It'll help in some
> cases and it'll have tragic consequences in others. I remember quite a
> number of years ago (20+ maybe) where a pregnant woman was shot in the head
> by a disabled veteran while she was in the process of robbing him on the
> streets of Oakland, CA. It was a huge controversy on so many different
> levels including the one where an Oakland hospital spent hundreds of
> thousands of dollars - that they could have otherwise donated to vaccinate
> hundreds of children - in keeping the brain dead woman alive until her
> fetus was developed enough to where it could be removed by c-section and
> she could be unplugged and left to die on the operating table. If I recall
> correctly, the disabled vet never faced any formal charges even though he
> did not have a legal carry permit.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:33:00 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
>
>
> The claim, should somebody make it, that lots of these kinds of events are
> being stopped regularly by people carrying concealed weapons might be a
> myth. Saying that a gun might be helpful in such a situation isn't a myth
> because we can't (yet) point to a case where it stopped the shooter because
> we simply don't have enough information. You would have to know how many
> of these events have happened (classifying them somehow), in how many of
> them people had concealed weapons on their person, and whether or not
> having the weapon overall helped or hindered the situation. There simply
> haven't been enough of these kinds of events to know that. For all the
> media hype when one happens, they are actually rare events.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 08/11/2012 03:46 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> Well whether someone used a gun and saved the day in a case like Aurora
> is either true or false. If true, when and where?
>
> The case you have is different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and were
> subsequently shot by an old man. Not a case of preventing violence by any
> means.
>
> I guess your next suggestion is to get rid of police -- too much big
> government -- and it's everyone for himself.
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:34 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> CWP holders will be reluctant to pipe up in as much as part of
> concealed is keeping your yap shut and avoiding telling all of Gods
> creation that you're healed. Your opinion is looked on with favor by some
> to be sure.
>
> A recent example of an armed citizen exercising his rights to good effect:
>
>
> http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html
>
> To say that a guy with a hand gun has never prevented a massacre is
> illogical in as much as who can say what might have happened had a
> different path been followed? In one scenario two goblins are wounded and
> taken to jail. In another, a dozen innocents minding their own business in
> a internet café are senselessly murdered...film at 11:00
>
> g
>
> *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:57 AM
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting .
> . .
>
>
> Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire. Firing in the
> middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for the exits would surely be
> asking for trouble. However, it's my understanding that for a while during
> the shooting the shooter had complete control of the situation. Anyone
> trying to leave was shot. Many people were playing dead in the hopes they
> would be passed over. Firing on the shooter, even if he's in body armor,
> might distract him enough that some people might have made it to the
> exits. Body armor doesn't make you invincible, depending on the armor and
> the caliber of the weapon used you might still have made an impact, since
> he'd still be hit by the blunt force of the bullet. In this situation,
> though, you would probably also have been shot dead shortly after because
> he was so well prepared (vest, leggings, throat protector, groin protector,
> and a helmet with a visor). Who knows? Telling a loved one "when I start
> shooting, RUN for the exit and don't stop" might have worked.
>
> Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't involved such a
> heavily armored assailant. In fact, quite a few of them have taken place
> in areas where gun use is often restricted, such as in schools or on
> university campuses. Harris and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at
> Columbine. A student who had happened to have smuggled a gun into the
> school might have been able to have had a real impact on that event.
>
> An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion. Apparently, that
> opinion is not shared on this list.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> It's hard to think of something more foolish than someone or ones with a
> hand gun in a disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with a
> automatic weapon shielded by body armor. How many more victims would be
> added to the final body count?
>
> Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?
>
> w.
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean come on,
> support your community why don't you. :)
>
> Donovan J. Arnold
>
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* "<vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting .
> . .
>
> You may very well be right, Sunil.
>
> It's just a habit I have acquired while in the service. Trust those
> around you, but keep your powder dry.
>
> I saw the poster at Tri-State. And, as I've said before, this is the
> first time I have seen such an advertisement in Moscow. I checked a few
> things out, such as its website, phone number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey, I
> needed something to pass the time while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).
>
> The more I dug, the more red flags I found. The more red flags I found,
> the more I dug. I have so many info sources, concerning the NFT Academy,
> bookmarked for reference I am thinking of discarding half of 'em.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've taken such a class and in the past had a concealed weapon permit;
> who knows, I may again. I don't think this class is a big deal.
>
> Sunil
>
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
>
> The primary reason this caught my eye . . .
>
> I have lived here in Moscow for just over twenty years. The is the
> FIRST time I have seen concealed-weapon classes openly advertised in town.
> Couple that up with the increasing paranoia, as a result of the recent
> instances in Aurora (Colorado) and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have
> a right to be curious.
>
> BTW, the NFT Academy website has only been in existence since April 2012
> and was not publicly released until June 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).
>
>
> http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/
>
> I have more info to share, concerning the NFT Academy and its website, but
> let's see where this thread leads.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Something legal? The nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!
>
> Sunil
>
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .
>
>
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>
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