[Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says
Art Deco
art.deco.studios at gmail.com
Thu Aug 9 11:22:03 PDT 2012
Agreeing with Joe [and more]:
I followed several trails of pedophiles while living in Boundary County.
The real recidivism rate is extraordinarily high and is estimated by many
diverse experts to exceed 90%; the younger and more numerous the victims,
the higher the probability of repeat offenses (notice the plural). That is
the reasons pedophiles receive long prison sentences -- to protect children.
Another trait of serial pedophiles like Steven Sitler: They are very
clever at hiding their activities by various and nefarious means. They can
get away with their filthy, injurious perversion for years, for example,
even hiding their activities with their own children from their wives for
years. It is only when they are accidentally caught in the act that the
ugly truth comes out.
I agree with Scott that once convicted, pedophiles ought be punished to the
full extent of the secular law if for no reason than to protect potential
victims, their loved ones, and friends.
I disagree with Scott's assessment of Wilson. First of all, Wilson is not
an expert on pedophilia; not even close. Even experts are unable to agree
on whether a particular offender will never offend again (even if they are
nullified).
Second, Wilson passes himself off as an expert on many topics. His adoring,
ovine marks believe him, but a simple perusal of his utterances usually
betray egregious ignorance.
Thirdly, It is doubtful that Wilson himself believes that Sitler is
"cured." Wilson is an extremely, not hestitant skillful liar. See:
http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/2008/08/leading-charge.html
"And the moral of this story is that it doesn’t matter if Wilson writes it
or says it — *he doesn’t mean a word of it.* It’s all an act."
The author of this blog, known personally to many of us was once one of
Wilson's closest associates and probably new him better at that time than
any other male in the Christ Church Cult. The author discovered many of
Wilson's lies and deceptions and after confronting Wilson, exited the cult
and the living he made from it.
Anyone who has followed Wilson over the years can cite many instances of
his basic dishonesty. He also is a unrelenting exponent of "covenantal
dishonesty" -- the doctrine that says it is not only OK to be dishonest and
deceitful, but there is a duty to be so when it serves the ends and
purposes of his alleged God. You can bet that if Steven Sitler has or
will re-offend, it will not be reported to law enforcement unless there is
no way to avoid it.
Wilson is on record in the *Daily News* as saying that he never changes his
mind. In other words he is always right. The alleged deity he allegedly
worships is the only other being with that Wilson apparently believes
shares that property. Wilson cannot let it appear that he does not have
the power to "cure" serial pedophiles else he loses his equivalence with
his alleged God, and with it the ability to keep his cash machine and
sexist, homophobic, racist, theocratic empire from crumbling.
Three other public figures deserve condemnation in this matter: Prosecutor
William Thompson, Sheriff Wayne Rausch, and District Judge John Stegner,
all of whom were taken in by the most unholy Wilson.
Sitler was not arrested for six months after his reported offense; he fled
and lived with his parents in Washington during that time (see the letter
previously posted with this thread). The plea bargain was about as sweet
as could possibly be absolving Sitler from punishment for all his previous
crimes in Idaho and Washington. No magistrates hearing to compel testimony
under oath from reluctant cult members was held despite pleas by
investigators alleging a coverup and lying. Sitler did six months soft
time after being sentenced to life in prison, and violated probation by
masturbating while looking into a family's apartment among other things, a
violation that ought to have resulted in the revocation of his probation.
Besides the perils of leaving the public at the mercy of a clever serial
pedophile, this case illustrates the importance of keeping church and state
matters separate in the courts.
It also reminds us of the local saying about the dishonest, manipulative,
quasi-charismatic Cultmaster Douglas Wilson: "When dealing with Wilson,
use one hand to protect your purse, the other to protect your or your loved
one's genitals."
Larry Germer has learned to the tune of over half a million dollars of the
truth of the first conjunct in the sentence above.
w.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
> Fair enough. But it is a very bad justification, and his is a dangerous
> view to hold. He should be criticized for saying things like that or for
> suggesting in any way that he is qualified to be a counselor about such
> matters.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm not arguing his point, I'm just making a guess as to what I think he
>> would say to justify the apparent discrepancy between his earlier comments
>> and his support of this one guy.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:37 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report
>> says
>>
>> How is it relevant that Wilson is convinced that the man was cured? We're
>> talking about pedophilia. Do you know what the recidivism rate is? Do you
>> know that rate is for people who have "repented their sins" or do we have
>> any reason for thinking it is less than what it usually is? Supporting this
>> is taking religious freedom to a new level.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Making no judgments either way, but I bet if someone asked Doug he would
>> say that he is convinced that this one person repented his sins.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 08/07/2012 05:48 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>>
>> Doug and Dale are like a lot of conservatives that I know. They have
>> rigid view how people should behave and be punished based on their
>> misinterpretation of 'the word of God'. And then someone that they know up
>> close and personal gets into a complicated situation and for that person,
>> this rigid punishment no longer applies for this particular instance. I
>> remember Doug posting something on V2020 years ago about divorce was
>> blessing considering some of the bad marriages he had seen / counseled. I
>> don't disagree with that. Would Doug write a letter to the judge just
>> because the 'parents had lots of money which they showered' on him? I
>> doubt it. I don't think it was a tit for tat. My guess would be that Doug
>> knew the parents up close and personal and he writes that he spent time
>> counseling the perp which he then got to know up close and personal and
>> then he accordingly wrote the letter to the judge. Me personally, I think
>> the sentence should have been swift and severe, and after his incarceration
>> (if it ever ended), the perp ought to never be allowed around anyone under
>> the age of 18. Period.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:18:12 -0700
>> From: art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Surely the Douglas Wilson who wrote the letter you displayed cannot be
>> the same Douglas Wilson who wrote
>> on page 85 of *Fidelity,* explaining how pedophiles should be dealt
>> with: *“But when we are dealing with young children who are abused by
>> adults (pederasty, child porn, etc.) the penalty for those guilt of the
>> crime should be death”*
>>
>> Surely no one could be that corrupt, hypocritical, venial, and dishonest,
>> and at the same time call himself a pastor of the Christian faith.
>>
>> w.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>wrote:
>>
>> Or how about . . .
>>
>> "Uh, how about a one-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a
>> level-3 sex offender."
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (August 3, 2005)
>>
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
>> college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>
>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Surely this can't be the same Douglas Wilson who once strongly and
>> unequivocally advocated the death penalty for child molesters like Steven
>> Sitler. Surely no one could be that big of a hypocrite especially where
>> innocent children are involved. Surely no decent, ethical, and empathetic
>> human would change his mind just because the pervert's parents had lots of
>> money which they showered on the writer of the letter.
>>
>> w.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>> A local enabler and protector?
>>
>> Somebody like . . .
>> <image.jpeg>
>> <image.jpeg>
>>
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't he have a local enabler and protector? Perhaps you have a
>> photo of him.
>>
>> w.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>wrote:
>>
>> Correction:
>>
>> 118 East Fourth Street (Moscow, Idaho), the address of the Moscow Police
>> Department, is listed as Mr. Sitler’s “college address”.
>>
>> http://isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR?id=6787&sz=985
>>
>> Hmmm.
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Moscow Cares
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 06, 2012 4:05 PM
>> *To:* Art Deco
>> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report
>> says
>>
>> Courtesy of the Idaho State Police at:
>>
>> http://isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR?id=6787&sz=985
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Sitler's address is 118 East Fourth Street (Moscow, Idaho) which
>> coincides with the address of the Moscow Police Department. Anybody care
>> to inquire?
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think I get it. You wouldn't happen to have a recent photo, would
>> you? That would remove all doubt.
>>
>> w.
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> Something like . . .
>>
>> <image.jpeg>
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gee Tom, I wonder who it could be. Maybe you could post a link or two
>> to help me figure it out. If there any links pointing to a letter
>> describing an incident with a two year old, that would maybe narrow it down
>> a bit.
>>
>> Puzzled,
>>
>> w.
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> An anti-gay organization that shelters child abusers?
>>
>> Gee, Wayne. That sounds somewhat very familiar.
>>
>> Nah! Nothing like that could happen here in Moscow . . . huh.
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <http://www.spokesman.com/>
>> August 6, 2012
>> Boy Scout files reveal repeat abuse, report says
>> Jason Felch
>> Los Angeles Times
>> LOS ANGELES – For nearly a century, the Boy Scouts of America has
>> relied on a confidential blacklist known as the “perversion files” as a
>> crucial line of defense against sexual predators.
>> Scouting officials say they’ve used the files to prevent hundreds of men
>> who had been expelled for alleged sexual abuse from returning to the ranks.
>> They’ve fought hard in court to keep the records from public view, saying
>> confidentiality was needed to protect victims, witnesses and anyone
>> falsely accused.
>> “It is a fact that Scouts are safer because the barrier created by these
>> files is real,” Scouts Chief Executive Robert Mazzuca said in video posted
>> on the organization’s website in June.
>> That barrier, however, has been breached repeatedly.
>> A Los Angeles Times review of more than 1,200 files dating from 1970 to
>> 1991 found more than 125 cases across the country in which men allegedly
>> continued to molest Scouts after the organization was first presented with
>> detailed allegations of abusive behavior.
>> Predators slipped back into the program by falsifying personal
>> information or skirting the registration process. Others were able to jump
>> from troop to troop around the country thanks to clerical errors, computer
>> glitches or the Scouts’ failure to check the blacklist.
>> In some cases, officials failed to document reports of abuse in the first
>> place, letting offenders stay in the organization until new allegations
>> surfaced. In others, officials documented abuse but merely suspended the
>> accused leader or allowed him to continue working with boys while
>> on “probation.”
>> In at least 50 cases, the Boy Scouts expelled suspected abusers, only to
>> discover later that they had re-entered the program and were accused of
>> molesting again.
>> “Basically, there were no controls,” said Bill Dworin, a retired Los
>> Angeles police expert on child sexual abuse who reviewed hundreds of the
>> files as a witness for an Oregon man abused by his troop leader in
>> the 1980s.
>> In response to the Times’ findings, the Scouts issued a statement that
>> said in part:
>> “The Boy Scouts of America believes even a single instance of abuse is
>> unacceptable, and we regret there have been times when the BSA’s best
>> efforts to protect children were insufficient. For that we are very sorry
>> and extend our deepest sympathies to victims. … We are committed to the
>> ongoing enhancement of our program, in line with evolving best practices
>> for protecting youth.”
>> The Scouts have maintained “ineligible volunteer” files in one form or
>> another since at least 1919 to keep track of men who failed to meet
>> Scouting’s moral standards. Files that involved allegations of child sexual
>> abuse were dubbed “perversion files.” A master list of those banned from
>> Scouting has been computerized since 1975 and is used to vet applicants for
>> volunteer and paid positions.
>> Only a select few in Scouting have access to the files, which are kept in
>> 15 locked cabinets at Scout headquarters in Irving, Texas. But over the
>> years, hundreds of the files have been admitted as evidence, usually under
>> seal, in lawsuits by former Scouts alleging a pattern of abuse in
>> the organization.
>> Many of the files will soon be made public as a result of an Oregon
>> Supreme Court decision. The court, in response to a petition by the
>> Oregonian, the Associated Press, the New York Times and other media
>> organizations, ordered the release of 1,247 files from 1965 to 1984 that
>> had been admitted as evidence, under seal, in the 2010 lawsuit.
>> In anticipation of the release, attorneys for the Boy Scouts conducted an
>> informal review of 829 of the files, saying they sought to put the contents
>> in perspective. The Scouts said the review found 175 instances in which the
>> files prevented men who’d been banned for alleged abuse from reentering
>> the program.
>> The Times analyzed an overlapping, though broader and more recent, set of
>> files, which were submitted in a California court case in 1992. Their
>> contents vary but often include biographical information on the accused,
>> witness statements, police reports, parent complaints, news clippings, and
>> correspondence between local Boy Scout officials and national headquarters.
>> The accounts that emerge are often incomplete. But the Scouts ultimately
>> deemed the allegations sufficiently credible to expel the suspected abusers.
>> Today, the Boy Scouts of America says it continues to use the
>> confidential files as part of its efforts to prevent child abuse. In recent
>> decades, it has added other protective measures. In 1988, for instance,
>> Scouting did away with probation; its policy now is to expel anyone
>> suspected in “good faith” of abuse. In 2008, criminal background checks
>> were required on all volunteers, and in 2010 the organization required all
>> suspected abuse to be reported to law enforcement.
>> The extent to which these measures have succeeded is impossible to gauge:
>> The Scouts continue to fight in court against the release of more
>> recent files.
>>
>> __________________________________________
>>
>> No real surprises here for anyone familiar with the problem:
>>
>> http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/19/21325
>>
>> http://ldssexchildabuse.blogspot.com/
>>
>> http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/02/15/34213.htm
>>
>> For many, many more similar cases, Google: mormon "boy scouts" "sexual
>> abuse"
>>
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