[Vision2020] [Spam 4.80] Re: Narcotics = Good, Marijuana = Evil?

[lfalen]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Dave tiedye at turbonet.com
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:15:11 -0700
To: vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam 4.80] Re: [Vision2020] Narcotics = Good, Marijuana = Evil?

> Really Rodger?  Why do you think that some people should not receive 
> health care?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On 04/07/2012 03:28 PM, lfalen wrote:
> > I agree with every thing you said, except for the last two paragraphs. This is what I was trying to say, but you did a better job of it.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "deb" debismith at moscow.com
> > Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:49:02 -0700
> > To: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com, "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcotics = Good, Marijuana = Evil?
> >
> >> Nice image, Tom!
> >> Before I star this rant to the V, I should give full disclosure: my spouse
> >> is on VA benefits for health care. It is minimal, but better than nothing.
> >> He gets his prescriptions for $8 each per month, can go to Spokane's VA Med
> >> Center for checkups and non-life-threatening emergencies ( a broken bone
> >> with no significant bleeding--drive to Spokane. A possible heart attack that
> >> turns out to be an actual heart attack, go to Gritman and they will pay--not
> >> an actual heart attack, tough luck). Since he had no medical insurance, this
> >> is still a positive thing. He was military, Viet Nam era, not carreer, not
> >> retired. We are very pleased that he gets this much!!!! My ex-spouse is also
> >> Viet Nam era military, and being treated for Agent Orange exposure. Without
> >> VA medical care, his prognosis would be grim as he has no ability to get
> >> health insurance (PTSD has far reaching effects).
> >> BUT
> >> I just heard from my mom that her significant other (retired military) was
> >> prescribed oxy as an alternative to Motrin. He was  taking Motrin every
> >> couple of days as needed  for pain, but his VA doc prescribed oxy 2 times
> >> daily because Motrin can cause liver and kidney damage! And one of the BIG
> >> issues with oxy (aside from the easy addiction issue) is kidney and liver
> >> damage! The guy is 73 years old, in great shape, walks 6 miles a day, and
> >> absolutely doesn't want the oxy. It was a nightmare to get the VA to say he
> >> didn't have to (against doctor orders) take it. He was prescribed something
> >> worse in larger doses  to replace something relatively benign. And as oxy is
> >> SOOOOO over-prescribed, why wouldn't the VA doctor (who incidently is
> >> charged with assisting military folks with getting past drug addictions)
> >> just let the old fart be?
> >> If medical marijuana was available in Utah, he would be pleased to do
> >> that---no kidney or liver damage, no addiction issues, no irritation with
> >> the VA issues.....
> >>
> >> Somehow, we have missed the boat in the US. Big Pharma has the lobby, simple
> >> remedies are anathema because Big Pharma doesn't own them....And we are
> >> supposed to trust the insurance/drug industry for our health care? And the
> >> Republice think a free market economy is the way to go? Well, perhaps after
> >> everyone with a health issue is dead......
> >>
> >> follow the dots (or just stay in LaLa Land). Open your eyes, and get a bit
> >> more cynical to push towards something more hopeful......When the
> >> pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies are held accountable
> >> and regulated in a real way, this country will be much better off. EVERY US
> >> CITZEN SHOULD HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. PERIOD, FULL STOP.
> >> Rant done....
> >> Debi R-S
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tom Hansen"<thansen at moscow.com>
> >> To: "lfalen"<lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> Cc:<vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcotics = Good, Marijuana = Evil?
> >>
> >>
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