[Vision2020] The KKK and the Tea Party
Henry D. "Hank" Johnston
hearseboy85 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 4 07:18:50 PDT 2012
Donovan -
I thought you wanted to have a rational and educated discussion on this
matter. Its obvious that you do not - you just want to throw out names,
point fingers, and go "neener neener" to me and tell me that nobody likes
me. Please don't discredit the many, many hours of service I provided to
the Bonner County GOP as simply "handing out flyers in Aryan Nations land"
- in fact, if you go back and look at who was involved in the party -
specifically the county commission - at that time they were all moderate
and reasonable people having just recovered from the Bud Mueller ordeal.
Am I aware that the UI college republicans, and even some of the local GOP
folks didn't like me over the years? Yes.
Have my uber right-wing ideals changed since then? Yes.
Do I feel that even though I've come back a little closer to the center,
the Party has moved much further to the right? Yes.
All are valid points, points which I entered into good faith to try to
discuss with you yesterday. Obviously you don't want to do
so because somewhere in your twisted little view of reality you're allowed
to sit behind a keyboard, spew hatred and conjecture into this forum, and
expect it to pass as legitimate debate. In fact, you've turned into a
younger me - the me of my college blogging days - in the way you write
things on this forum.
I've grown up - obviously you haven't - which is odd since you're older
than me.
Just one more thing - please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
More specifically the section about "Vote Totals By Party" and tell me,
Donovan, how the Republicans could have done this on their own, without
joining with the Democrats to pass this legislation through bipartisan
majorities. The numbers Are. Not. There. In fact, when you look at it, the
Republicans voted in a greater percentage FOR the legislation than the
Democrats did.
I'm not even going to address the remaining points in your email because I
don't like arguing with a 5 year old.
Henry
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> You know Republicans have a weak argument when they have to refer to
> the Lincoln Administration as the last time they did something for civil
> rights without the aid and backing of the Democrats. And sadly, Lincoln was
> a Unionist, not a Republican when he did it. He also picked an incompetentdrunk Democrat over any other
> sober Republican as a running mate. Something any reasonable president
> would consider even today.
>
> Sure, the Republican Party has changed since the 1860s. But it hasn't
> significantly since Hank Johnson was handing out fliers in Aryan Nations
> land a decade ago. Their platform of anti-civil rights, anti-gay, spend on
> military, cut social programs, cut taxes for the rich, rack up the deficit, has
> been going on for more than just the last ten years as Mr. Johnson claims
> and certainly before his umbilical cord was cut.
>
> Power grabs are also nothing new for politicians. And neither party has a
> monopoly on that area. Gerrymandering to manipulate the Congressionaldistricts and increase power of a party or special interest has been going
> on continuously since before anyone living today first drew breath. It
> was even done before representation was established by what fraction of a
> person a slave was in Congressional districting.
>
> The only reason a politician is willing to do debates is because they
> have to do so. When a party is the super majority, the other side just gets
> to talk to the wall, because nobody is listening. It happens to both
> political parties where they are minority.
>
> Most Republicans don't like you Hank. They never have since I have known
> you. They tolerated your radical right wing ideals. You couldn't get
> elected by the student Republicans at UI despite your numerous attempts
> and that the numbers where there. You have passion, which is good. You just
> need to channel it to a worthy cause besides radical right wing theories
> and you would do a lot of good for the community. Instead you are just
> being a loose cannon rolling on the deck of a ship and going off at
> random, freaking everyone out. Republicans like to control everything, They
> like order and rank, and tradition. You don't fit that mold, you are its
> antithesis.
>
>
> Did you know Ronald Reagan let millions of people die by blocking funding
> research for AIDS because he thought it was only gays that got it. Hows
> that grab you? Still your hero?
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Henry D. Hank
> Johnston <hearseboy85 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] The KKK and the Tea Party
>
> Then there is Abraham Lincoln, a founding forefather of the Republican
> Party who would doubtfully be invited to this year's Republican National
> Convention.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:11, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is a fun little exchange. I certainly think the Republicans have
> changed in my lifetime. For GWB they were they tried to be the fiscally
> conservative party. After GWB they simply called themselves that.
>
> Too add to the fun I'll share my dads old saying: There are two kinds of
> people in the world. Democrats and grown-ups.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Henry D. "Hank" Johnston <<hearseboy85 at gmail.com>
> hearseboy85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Donovan:
>
> For someone with a college degree you certainly have a very narrow view of
> history.
>
> #1 - The Republican Party has changed in the past 20 years. I've been a
> loyal foot solider for the Bonner County GOP and the Latah County GOP for a
> number of years and the attitude has changed. The feelings in central
> committee meetings has changed. The power grabs are more prevalent now
> than they were 10 years ago. In fact, I re-read the platform from the 2004
> GOP convention that I attended and I intend to release a compare/contrast
> version after they update said platform at this years convention.
>
> #2 - The Civil Rights act of 1964 was passed through bipartisan support of
> both Northern GOP and Democrats - and was opposed by southern Democrats and
> Republicans. Both parties should be cheered and jeered for their
> geographic votes on that matter. And need I remind you that Lincoln, the
> President who freed the slaves, was a Republican? Oh how far they've come
> since those days.
>
> #3 - And by the way, who said this...
> "In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I
> draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny,
> and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"
>
> ?
>
> Was that a Republican member aligned with the KKK? No, it was George
> Wallace, DEMOCRAT, Governor of Alabama - the same guy who stood in front of
> the doors at the University of Alabama and prevented Vivian Malone and
> James Hood (two black students) from entering.
>
> I was enjoying your email up to the point that you said "I use to be a
> Republican, but then I got an education.". First of all, its "I used to
> be..." not "use" and second why does every Democrat I come in contact with
> have to play the education card? The way to win friends and influence
> people is not to say "I'm smart and you're not and thats why you should
> vote for me" - but many, many people in this town use that line.
>
> The political climate of today has moved beyond Republican and Democrat,
> gay or straight, white or black - we need real leaders. Real people
> willing to find solutions to problems based on the problem, not platform.
>
> Gresham Bouma is not one of those people. Rick Henderson is not one of
> those people. Ken DeVries is not one of those people. Those three men are
> people who cannot be reasoned with who, as Rosemary Huskey wrote last
> night, run around with their pocket constitutions and their psyches on high
> alert.
>
> Those people aren't willing to govern. They're overgrown children who want
> to play dictator (or in Henderson's case play sheriff) and if they make it
> to Boise our state will really, really be screwed.
>
> Kindly -
> Henry
>
> Lifelong Republican (1985)
> Officially Affiliated Republican since February 2012
> Unaffiliated Voter starting Thursday
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Donovan Arnold <<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What are you talking about? The Republican Party hasn't changed at all
> since your were born. When has the Republican Party not been full of a
> bunch of anti-gay activities? Was there a time? If so, please give me those
> dates. Has there been a time when Republicans were for Women's Rights,
> aside from pre-1930s? How about worker's rights and unions? Were they
> ever for that? I don't think so. How about civil rights? As I recall they
> opposed the civil rights act of 64 and 65, and every one since then.
> Republicans have long been supported by the KKK and people with the beliefs
> of the tea party since before you were born.
>
> The Republican Party hasn't changed at all. But hopefully, people do, and
> they see the error and hatred of the Republican Party as being a backward,
> ancient party trying to push and force the ways and thinking of your great
> great great grandfather onto everyone else.
>
> Has the Hank Johnson I went to UI with changed his beliefs that being
> anti-human and carpet bombing all our enemies is wrong? Or is he just
> reaching the point of maturity that maybe humans are something we should
> cherish and protect. Republicans didn't just start rejecting you, Hank,
> they have always rejected you, me, and anyone that is in the least bit
> different and not wealthy and white cultured. Hank, did you ever quit
> smoking? Hope you did. And I hope you have reached the point of maturity to
> realize that liberals are not all Pot smoking gray haired hippies as you
> wrote in your column for the Town Crier. Democrats are average people
> trying to make ends meet in life and liberal to Republicans means someone
> that has a sense of reason, a heart and believes in civil rights. I use to
> be a Republican, but then I got an education.
>
> Donovan Arnold,
>
> Proud Democrat since 1995
>
> *From:* "Henry D. "Hank" Johnston" < <hearseboy85 at gmail.com>
> hearseboy85 at gmail.com>
> *To:* <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2012 9:32 PM
>
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] The KKK and the Tea Party
>
> Folks, I'm not one to chime in here often, but I've gotta say that the
> section about what the KKK stands for sounds awfully close to some of our
> local tea party candidates running in this "Republican" primary. I use
> quotation marks around the work Republican because I, a person has
> considered myself lifelong Republican, have been railroaded from the local
> party for calling them out for their antics. I'm seriously contemplating
> and reviewing my beliefs before I decide to renounce my affiliated
> Republican registration with the county clerk.
>
> Its sad, because I was once considered the right-wing of the UI College
> Republicans, a group that was closely aligned with the Latah County GOP.
> Now, I'm considered a liberal in the Latah County GOP.
>
> Just my thoughts. I like to think that we (meaning me and my more
> moderate friends) can take the party back. But I do fear that it may be
> too late.
>
> Henry
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