[Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 30 14:51:07 PDT 2011
Roger,
If you are making the argument that this is the way it ought to be, I would agree. But the laws, regulations, and actions by our government do not lend itself to this philosophy. The government disrupts what would be a natural balance between laborers and those with capital. In our society today, those with wealth are not given the chance to fail, and are ensured success regardless of risks through government actions and funding. And those with limited means are not given much of an opportunity to succeed on their own accord because of current government laws and regulations, and marketing conditions created by government disruption and restriction of otherwise natural economic opportunities for average Americans.
In other words, our government ensures the wealthy will remain wealthy regardless of loss and failure, and the less affluent will remain less affluent through lack of opportunities.
Donovan Arnold
From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>; Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>; nickgier at roadrunner.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
Donovan
The opportunity to succeed also inculdes the right to fail. Shere are no guarantees. It is understood that there are some folks through no fault of their own are at a disadvantage. severely handicapped or disabled people need to be provided for. The normal ablebodied do not.
Roger
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From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:32:12 -0700
To: Sue Hovey suehovey at moscow.com, Jay Borden jborden at datawedge.com, "nickgier at roadrunner.com" nickgier at roadrunner.com, Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com, lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
> I think this old story is funny. However, I think it is demonstrating the difference between pure communism and pure capitalism, not any applicable system we have in the United States or one that anyone is seriously advocating.
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> The fallacy of this story is that it assumes that all people that have great wealth earned it while all people that are poor refused to work for it. This is not true in economics as it is in an equitably written rubric for student achievement.
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> If you disagree with my assessment, then by all means, please write an outline on how to get a 4.0 in wealth.
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> Donovan Arnold
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> From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> To: Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>; nickgier at roadrunner.com; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscowcom
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
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> or perhaps another angle for Jay:
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> When a conservative uses full caps HE probably isn't too sure about the message HIMSELF, but HE wants to be sure others don't miss it.
> When a liberal does it he/she probably forgot to release the caps lock.
>
> Sue H.
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> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Borden
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:36 AM
> To: nickgier at roadrunner.com ; Tom Hansen ; lfalen
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
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> Right. So add one more to that list:
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> If a conservative doesn't like the use of FULL CAPS to highlight a message, he'll just ignore it.
> If a liberal doesn't like the use of FULL CAPS, he'll publicly decry their use.
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>
> Jay
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com [mailto:nickgier at roadrunner.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:18 AM
> To: Tom Hansen; lfalen; Jay Borden
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
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> Hi Jay,
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> You a welcomed addition to the Vision, but I think that you and others will make your points just as well by not using FULL CAPS all the time, especially if your are nodding rather than shaking for nonsense.
>
> Nick
>
> ---- Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:
> > Well, with the vast majority of opinions being decidedly liberal on this discussion board, it is nice to be NODDING my head once in a while instead of SHAKING it.
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> > Jay
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> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:46 AM
> > To: lfalen
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: People with opposite outlooks.
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> > Is this what you call fair and balanced, Mr. Falen?
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> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
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> > Tom Hansen
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> > Moscow, Idaho
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> > "When all is said and done, have you done or said enough? Have you just gone along for the ride, or have you steered destiny's hotrod? When you leave this world, did you make it any better than it was when you arrived? All you need is all you've got: your wits and the clothes on your back. Your epitaph is yours to earn. Your legacy is yours to make."
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> > - Author Unknown
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> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:42, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
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> > -----Original message-----
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> > Subject: People with opposite outlooks.
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> > This has been around before, but I still think it's worth reading again.
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> > A rather gentle explanation of the difference in thinking between people with opposite outlooks.
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> > A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.
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> > She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.
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> > One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.
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> > The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.
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> > Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
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> > Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"
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> > She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."
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> > Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."
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> > The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"
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> > The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the conservative side of the fence."
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> > If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
> >
> > If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
> > If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
> >
> > If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
> > If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
> >
> > If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
> > A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
> >
> > If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
> > Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
> >
> > If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
> > A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.
> >
> > If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
> > A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
> >
> > If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
> > A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."
> >
> > Well, I forwarded it to you.
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> > This has been around before, but I still think it's worth reading again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A rather gentle explanation of the difference in thinking between people with opposite outlooks.
> >
> >
> > A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.
> >
> > She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.
> >
> > One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.
> >
> > The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.
> >
> > Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
> >
> > Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"
> >
> > She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."
> >
> > Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."
> >
> > The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"
> >
> > The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the conservative side of the fence."
> >
> > If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
> >
> > If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
> > If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
> >
> > If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat
> > If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
> >
> > If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
> > A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
> >
> > If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
> > Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
> >
> > If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
> > A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.
> >
> >
> > If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
> > A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
> >
> > If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
> > A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."
> >
> > Well, I forwarded it to you.
> >
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