[Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Mon Sep 12 20:58:06 PDT 2011
Where are you going with this? Is it that Paul shouldn't have a positive view of Jim based on his personal experience with the man? Do you expect him to change his views based on your experience with Jim? Or is it that he shouldn't voice his opinion lest he grow bone-weary of this thread and these attacks on him?
I frequently disagree with Paul, but I don't think he's being passive aggressive here. He just doesn't agree with you, and amazingly you haven't won him over.
I know Jim too, not in the context you do. I don't agree with his religious views. We don't talk politics, but I have to believe we disagree there too. But based on my interactions with him, I like him. That's my opinion, and I realize people I often agree with on various issues will disagree with me. That's okay, we don't have to agree on everything. You don't like him, and that's your opinion. I can live with that.
From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
To: godshatter at yahoo.com; deco at moscow.com
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:26:32 -0700
CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)
So, Paul, let’s get right down to brass tacks instead of your passive-aggressive patronizing BS that I suspect I’m not the only one bone-weary of. Simple answer: yes or no. Is it your position, then, that if the only way the head of a non-profit group like Jim Wilson (or Doug Wilson or Roy Atwood, for that matter) can keep the group’s tax exempt status is by being a deceitful, dishonest, disingenuous liar (either by omission or commission) year after year after year to the “secular government,” appropriate descriptions of that same person are “nice” and “respectful”? And, as was pointed out to me by an offlist correspondent, if Jim Wilson would give you the shirt off his back, remember it’s the taxpayers who are paying for it, not Jim Wilson. Like it or not, Paul, tax exemption – property or otherwise -- is a privilege granted by the government in exchange for an agreement by the exempt entity to abide by the rules -- it’s not a right. Frankly, I think it’s an outdated model that needs to be abolished because rampant abuse has been proven time and again, both locally and around the nation. Too, tax exemption dates back to a time when the “greater good” works were done, for the most part, in the home community – that’s clearly not the case now. Personally, I’m tickled pink that some jurisdictions (Illinois & California are two) are taking a hard look at property tax exemptions – Idaho really should follow suit rather than gutting education, going after services that help the elderly & disabled stay in their communities with decent qualities of life, providing basic assistance to the working poor and economically disadvantaged among us . . . and subsidizing the disastrous efforts of big business. I think most folks would be absolutely shocked at how much giving away property tax exemptions costs our communities. I’ve heard rumors of a movement in the southern part of the state advocating that as a part of the NPO & religious property tax exemption process, clear public disclosure should be required of the financial loss to the taxing jurisdiction & that information should be freely available at assessor offices, in person & online. Personally, I don’t think it’s likely to be successful because we have too many in government who represent their churches rather than all of their constituents, but maybe I’ll be proven wrong. Idaho has turned giving away taxpayer money to cronies into a high art form and at great cost – and waste – to the taxpayers. Huh – what a surprise in a red state . . . not. Saundra LundMoscow, ID The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.~ Edmund Burke From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:13 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Art Deco'
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events) Aren't all churches, all across the country, tax exempt? I don't know what you're referring to when you say he lied under oath, so I really can't comment on it. Anyway, my apologies for noticing the guy's positive qualities. Paul From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
To: 'Paul Rumelhart' <godshatter at yahoo.com>; 'Art Deco' <deco at moscow.com>
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)
In part, Paul wrote:“I know Jim Wilson personally. He's an extremely nice and respectful individual, and (despite not agreeing with him on matters of faith) is as sane as anyone on this list. He's the kind of guy that would give you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it more than he. If he thinks a certain way about something, it's because that's his honest interpretation from reading his Bible.” Huh – you must know a different Jim Wilson than do I because I personally don’t give a rip how “nice” or “respectful” someone may be if honesty & integrity are lacking, as is the case with Jim Wilson wanting a free tax ride & expecting government – which means you & me -- to pay for his ride. My friends will remember how completely shocked & disappointed I was that Wilson had no difficulty being dishonest under oath. Pathetic. Personally, I don’t think it’s OK to be disingenuous – at best – just to stick the rest of us with CCM’s tax bill, and I don’t think God thinks it’s OK, either. Lying, cheating, stealing – or being intentionally obtuse -- are OK as long as long as you’re ripping off those who don’t share a particular faith, eh? Not in my faith, and not in my world, it isn’t. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and we know that it pains you, Paul, but it’s even more reprehensible when it comes from so-called “religious leaders” like Jim Wilson. Saundra LundMoscow, ID The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.~ Edmund Burke
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