[Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?

Fri Sep 2 20:53:47 PDT 2011

Hi Paul,

Exxon-Mobil and Conoco Phillips paid off-duty ISP officers (two vehicles each) to escort their four loads up Highway 12.

Nick

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. 

-Greek proverb

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Fri 9/2/2011 6:13 PM
To: Donovan Arnold
Cc: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?

Here's my take on the "who pays?" issue.  Exxon/Mobil has the proper 
permits, and is abiding by their use on a public highway.  If there were 
no protesters, then there would be no cops needed on extra duty.  
Forcing Exxon/Mobil to pay is akin to a denial-of-service attack in the 
computer world.  All you need to do, if you don't like someone or some 
company, is to stage a protest outside their place of business.  The 
larger the better.  Then the person or the business will have to pay for 
their protection from the police, regardless of whether or not they've 
done anything wrong.  You might as well get a bunch of people to write 
letters in protest and then force whoever is the current target of their 
ire to pay for the paper, the envelopes, the postage, and their time.

The only way I can see a justification for Exxon/Mobil paying for the 
policemen on extra duty is if they specifically contracted for them in 
order to protect the safety of their drivers.  Which leads to the 
question: who authorized the extra duty for the police officers - the 
city, the police department, Exxon/Mobil or some other group?

Paul

P.S.  I snipped Mayor Cheney and Councilman Lamarr's names from the to: 
list.  I'm sure they get enough spam as it is and can choose whether or 
not to read the Viz on their own cognizance.

On 09/02/2011 05:27 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Wayne,
> It has already been confirmed that Exxon is not paying the cost of the 
> permit. You can check the donation records of Idaho Republicans if you 
> don't believe they are getting something for this from Exxon. And the 
> US Attorney General office isn't going to do anything about it either 
> or any other politician because they are also owned and operated by 
> Exxon and a handful of corporations.
> Donovan Arnold
>
> *From:* Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> *To:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Bill London <london at moscow.com>; vision2020 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; nancy chaney <nchaney at moscow.com>; Tom Lamar 
> <tlamar at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2011 6:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>
> Donovan,
>
> IF you can prove that, contact me off line and I'll give you a point 
> of contact at the US Attorney's Office to get in touch with.
>
> WMP
>
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> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>> No, they didn't. They paid the politicians to change the law and make 
>> the people pay for the cost of the permit.
>> Donovan Arnold
>>
>> *From:* Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com <mailto:bear at moscow.com>>
>> *To:* Bill London <london at moscow.com <mailto:london at moscow.com>>
>> *Cc:* vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com 
>> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>; nancy chaney <nchaney at moscow.com 
>> <mailto:nchaney at moscow.com>>; Tom Lamar <tlamar at moscow.com 
>> <mailto:tlamar at moscow.com>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2011 5:35 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> EXXON paid for the permit which gave them the right to transport the 
>> loads legally.
>>
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>>
>> Wayne
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>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Bill London wrote:
>>
>>> WMP-
>>> my point exactly
>>> Exxon wants to play, Exxon should pay
>>> BL
>>> *From:* Wayne Price <mailto:bear at moscow.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2011 4:21 PM
>>> *To:* Bill London <mailto:london at moscow.com>
>>> *Cc:* vision2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> ; nancy chaney 
>>> <mailto:nchaney at moscow.com> ; Tom Lamar <mailto:tlamar at moscow.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>> Didn't advocate making them "so expensive that those rights 
>>> disappear", but what is wrong with you play, YOU pay?
>>> WMP
>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Bill London wrote:
>>>
>>>> WMP-
>>>> so your goal is to make freedom of expression and civil 
>>>> disobedience so expensive that those rights disappear?
>>>> BL
>>>> *From:* Wayne Price <mailto:bear at moscow.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2011 2:05 PM
>>>> *To:* Bill London <mailto:london at moscow.com>
>>>> *Cc:* vision2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> ; nancy chaney 
>>>> <mailto:nchaney at moscow.com> ; Tom Lamar <mailto:tlamar at moscow.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] who pays for Megaload cops?
>>>> So, some protesters show up and the local police respond and you 
>>>> want the folks that have the permits to pay?
>>>> WHEN the protesters break the laws, their fines should pay for the 
>>>> disturbances they cause.  Now, who decided some 25 additional 
>>>> police officers were needed?
>>>> That dog won't hunt!
>>>> WMP
>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Bill London wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> According to newspaper reports, about 25 local cops (17 Moscow, 9 
>>>>> county) were at the latest megaloads confrontation Thurs night in 
>>>>> downtown Moscow.
>>>>> Who is paying for all the overtime for those officers?  I called 
>>>>> David Duke (Moscow police chief) who said that we are.  The 
>>>>> taxpayers.  You.  Me.  Us.  We are spending money to help the 
>>>>> world's richest corporation (Exxon/Mobil) get their equipment 
>>>>> delivered on time.
>>>>> Thankfully, Duke said that the city council will be discussing 
>>>>> this issue on Tuesday (Sept 6) at their regular meeting.  I hope 
>>>>> the council tells Exxon to pay those costs.
>>>>> BL
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