[Vision2020] The 1% in Congress

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 13 14:36:24 PST 2011


It's indiscriminate class warfare.  Targeting people  based solely on 
how much money they have is not any different than targeting someone 
based on any other random criteria.  So, instead of targeting randomly 
wealthy people, target those who worked to pass those laws.  Target the 
laws themselves.

It's the difference between saying "I hate you because you are rich" and 
"I hate you specifically because you made a deal with a congressman to 
get a special tax benefit that no others have so you could unfairly 
increase your profits on the backs of all tax payers".  One requires 
actually thinking about the problem and doing some research in an effort 
to fix it.  The other is just lashing out because someone is doing well 
while they are not.

Target the greedy, not the well-to-do.  They overlap a lot, but not 
completely.

I'd love for the Occupy Idaho folks to scour the State tax code looking 
for unfair tax benefits and expose them.  Much more beneficial than just 
making a statement.

Paul

On 11/13/2011 02:00 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> Paul,
>
> You say, 'Condemn the laws that encourage it, such as the ability of 
> shareholders to sue if a company is making a decision that affects 
> short-term profits in favor of long-term growth or the various tax 
> dodges written into the tax code to benefit specific companies over 
> their competition (making for a non-free trade market).'
>
> Do you think those laws are somehow disconnected from the institutions 
> that pass and sign them? Did they just spring up, somehow disconnected 
> from their beneficiaries and sponsors?
>
> Of course there's a direct connection between a ruling class this 
> wealthy, and legislation that benefits others in their group, and in 
> whose pockets they so comfortably dwell.
>
> How come that's not class warfare? How come it's only class warfare 
> when someone says, 'Those guys are screwing us?'
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:09:18 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: rforce2003 at yahoo.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The 1% in Congress
>
>
> This kind of thing is a good illustration of what concerns me about 
> this whole 1% / 99% metric.  Here is a list of people who are in 
> Congress who have a lot of money.  So what?  There is no indication as 
> to how these people got their money.  No condemnation of certain 
> Congressmen because they passed legislation that directly helped their 
> bottom line.  No effort to separate the wheat from the chaff.  How 
> many of these people came into their wealth and decided they wanted to 
> do something good with it but also understand the idea behind the 
> phrase "free milk and a cow"?  The only thing we can say is that they 
> are doing well.
>
> it looks vaguely like a target list, frankly.  What ever happened to 
> the good old American Dream(tm)?
>
> What we should be focused on is unmitigated greed.  It exists in all 
> levels of society, not just in the most wealthy.  Condemn the laws 
> that encourage it, such as the ability of shareholders to sue if a 
> company is making a decision that affects short-term profits in favor 
> of long-term growth or the various tax dodges written into the tax 
> code to benefit specific companies over their competition (making for 
> a non-free trade market).  There are plenty other examples of outright 
> greed that we could be focusing on.  Instead, we are focusing on net 
> wealth as some kind of metric of Good vs. Evil.  Sure, the wealthy 
> could be doing more to help the poor, but so could each one of us.
>
> While we're on the subject of the seven deadly sins, why not take a 
> close look at "envy" while we're at it?
>
> Paul
>
> On 11/11/2011 04:34 PM, Ron Force wrote:
>
>     *Table 2: All members of Congress with average net worth above $9
>     million, from 2009*
>     Name 	Minimum Wealth 	Maximum Wealth 	Average 	Chamber
>     Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) 	$156,050,022 	$451,100,000
>     $303,575,011 	House
>     John Kerry (D-Mass.) 	$182,755,534 	$294,869,059 	$238,812,296
>     Senate
>     Mark Warner (D-Va.) 	$65,692,210 	$283,077,995 	$174,385,102 	Senate
>     Jared Polis (D-Colo.) 	$36,694,140 	$285,123,996 	$160,909,068 	House
>     Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) 	$89,358,027 	$231,245,995 	$160,302,011 	Senate
>     Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla.) 	-$69,434,661 	$366,180,982
>     $148,373,160 	House
>     Michael McCaul (R-Texas) 	$73,685,086 	$201,537,000
>     $137,611,043 	House
>     James E. Risch (R-Idaho) 	$38,936,114 	$179,131,990
>     $109,034,052 	Senate
>     Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) 	$61,446,018 	$136,218,002
>     $98,832,010 	Senate
>     Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) 	$64,210,256 	$125,529,976
>     $94,870,116 	Senate
>     Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) 	$46,055,250 	$108,109,018
>     $77,082,134 	Senate
>     Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.) 	$49,083,204 	$104,690,018
>     $76,886,611 	Senate
>     Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) 	-$7,356,915 	$124,229,990 	$58,436,537
>     House
>     Gary Miller (R-Calif.) 	$19,365,053 	$84,302,000 	$51,833,526 	House
>     Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) 	$9,778,047 	$91,656,998 	$50,717,522 	Senate
>     Diane Lynn Black (R-Tenn.) 	$14,673,049 	$84,145,990
>     $49,409,519 	House
>     Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) 	$19,898,179 	$67,697,000
>     $43,797,589 	House
>     Rick Berg (R-N.D.) 	$19,347,579 	$58,981,451 	$39,164,515 	House
>     Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.) 	$14,900,036 	$63,125,000 	$39,012,518 	House
>     Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) 	$13,303,385 	$63,106,351 	$38,204,868
>     House
>     Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) 	$6,598,014 	$56,244,997 	$31,421,505 	House
>     Scott Rigell (R-Va.) 	$11,618,078 	$48,200,000 	$29,909,039 	House
>     Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) 	$12,556,055 	$44,669,000
>     $28,612,527 	Senate
>     James B. Renacci (R-Ohio) 	$17,571,131 	$39,297,044 	$28,434,087
>     House
>     Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) 	$11,522,909 	$44,209,871 	$27,866,390
>     Senate
>     Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.) 	$7,045,017 	$41,899,994
>     $24,472,505 	House
>     Tom Petri (R-Wis.) 	$5,111,026 	$43,765,999 	$24,438,512 	House
>     John Campbell (R-Calif.) 	$9,227,063 	$37,282,000 	$23,254,531 	House
>     Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) 	$8,368,014 	$37,945,000 	$23,156,507 	House
>     Richard L Hanna (R-N.Y.) 	$10,960,117 	$33,276,000 	$22,118,058
>     House
>     Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) 	$15,681,206 	$27,543,006 	$21,612,106
>     Senate
>     Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) 	$10,359,086 	$31,381,997
>     $20,870,541 	House
>     John Hoeven (R-N.D.) 	-$12,829,960 	$52,851,999 	$20,011,019 	Senate
>     Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) 	$7,102,036 	$32,756,000 	$19,929,018 	Senate
>     Kay R. Hagan (D-N.C.) 	$3,549,596 	$33,149,981 	$18,349,788 	Senate
>     F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) 	$14,990,621 	$20,923,567
>     $17,957,094 	House
>     Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) 	$1,056,768 	$34,566,596 	$17,811,682 	Senate
>     Michael F Bennet (D-Colo.) 	$6,217,020 	$27,780,000 	$16,998,510
>     Senate
>     Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) 	$10,447,125 	$23,082,001 	$16,764,563 	Senate
>     Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.) 	$9,542,219 	$23,259,000 	$16,400,609 	House
>     Fred Upton (R-Mich.) 	$7,010,173 	$25,651,000 	$16,330,586 	House
>     Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn.) 	$5,429,018 	$26,697,997 	$16,063,507
>     House
>     John McCain (R-Ariz.) 	$9,769,247 	$22,072,994 	$15,921,120 	Senate
>     Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) 	$7,790,095 	$20,949,999 	$14,370,047 	House
>     Cynthia Marie Lummis (R-Wyo.) 	$4,939,028 	$23,591,999
>     $14,265,513 	House
>     Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) 	$6,393,295 	$20,874,000 	$13,633,647 	Senate
>     Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) 	$6,593,088 	$20,654,033 	$13,623,560 	House
>     Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) 	$4,561,077 	$20,503,000 	$12,532,038 	House
>     Tom Price (R-Ga.) 	$7,653,606 	$17,121,588 	$12,387,597 	House
>     Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) 	$8,010,107 	$16,623,001 	$12,316,554 	Senate
>     Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) 	$4,100,005 	$20,250,000 	$12,175,002 	House
>     Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas) 	$6,126,070 	$18,078,998 	$12,102,534
>     House
>     Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) 	$6,407,085 	$17,427,999 	$11,917,542 	Senate
>     Rob Portman (R-Ohio) 	$5,544,075 	$17,468,999 	$11,506,537 	Senate
>     David Dreier (R-Calif.) 	$5,264,092 	$17,715,000 	$11,489,546 	House
>     David B. McKinley (R-W.Va.) 	$5,216,060 	$14,316,000 	$9,766,030
>     House
>     John A. Yarmuth (D-Ky.) 	$2,850,009 	$16,349,999 	$9,600,004 	House
>     John Fleming (R-La.) 	$2,153,834 	$16,797,770 	$9,475,802 	House
>     Jon Runyan (R-N.J.) 	$5,000,034 	$13,674,999 	$9,337,516 	House
>
>     Source: Center for Responsive Politics
>     <http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php>
>
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