[Vision2020] Staying Focused: Getting Back to Luna and the MegaloadIssues
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri May 13 19:29:50 PDT 2011
Sue,
You are awesome for doing those petitions, thank you very much!
Is there a website that people can go to find out who to contact to sign a petition if they want to, for each county, and what the qualifications are for signing?
Thanks again,
Donovan Arnold
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Staying Focused: Getting Back to Luna and the MegaloadIssues
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 6:03 PM
About getting people to sign. You’re right, it’s easy. I’ve had them stop right in front of the house when I’m outside and yell for petitions. I ‘ve finished 9 of them. One more partly filled. My goal is 10, so I need about 15 more signers. If you want to sign, I really would be willing to meet you someplace. I am doing just Latah County, but if you are from another county, I’ll find out who is getting those and get you in touch with someone. I’ve made some great new friends and have only had two be rude about it..
So, if you want to sign, just get back to me. We do need to turn them in asap.
Sue
From: Donovan Arnold
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:01 PM
To: Tom Hansen ; Joe Campbell
Cc: Vision 2020
Subject: [Vision2020] Staying Focused: Getting Back to Luna and the MegaloadIssues
While it may be fun to discuss things like Godwin's Rule, and other irrelevant trivia, we need to get back to the real issues at hand facing Idaho, Tom Luna and the Mega-loads.
It is too bad we cannot put Tom Luna in front of the Mega-loads, that way no matter which one won, we would be knocking out one of our two major problems.
Joking aside though, I honestly think the city leaders should find a way to block the loads from coming through northern Idaho and make a huge stink about it to the national media as possible, as the local state leaders will not respond. The vast majority of people in this country would oppose disrupting natural parks and wildlife with with big oil company owned rigs at taxpayer expense and with total disregard to the locals. Federal administrators under Democratic leadership would have to stop these loads if it came onto the national radar, even if just as a blip.
On the other issue;
I think a major door to door campaign to recall Luna's loony laws should take place, and it should be better marketed on the radio, internet, and at local stores and businesses that support education. You don't even need to convince people to sign, just tell the ones that agree where to go, and that is plenty to get it on the ballot.
Donovan Arnold
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 9:31 AM
I made this point but Paul is not listening. There was no comparison.
The claim that "the first person in an argument who compares the other side to the Nazis loses the debate" is just stupid. Why not just make the winner the person with the best haircut? The person with the worst argument loses the debate.
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
Let me get one thing straight to Mr. Rumelhart and to the rest of you
lacking any sense of comprehension.
My reference to Nazis was NOT aimed at Wayne Krauss.
My comment, word for word, . . .
"Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or
Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on somebody
else's door."
The comparison I clearly drew was between "megaloads weren't anywhere near
US95 or Moscow" and Nazis knocking "on somebody else's door."
If you really do feel like dragging this dead horse around with you, how
about taking to your buddies at teh sandbox, ok?
'Nuff said.
Now, if you will excuse me, I have four hours of Moscow Megaload Meeting
videos to edit and post.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
On Fri, May 13, 2011 7:34 am, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>
> Believe me, I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich. All I need to know about him
> is that he pressed his first wife for divorce while she was in the
> hospital recovering from cancer-related surgery, not to mention
> committing adultery while criticizing Clinton for doing the same thing
> during the Monica Lewinski scandal.
>
> Anyway, the idea is that the first person in an argument who compares
> the other side to the Nazis loses the debate.
>
> Paul
>
> On 05/13/2011 12:00 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>> Huh -- I wasn't familiar with that term.
>>
>> Since you cited the Wikipedia article ("has been invoked for the
>> inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches"), then do
>> you agree that hyperbolic "Godwin's law" (which you obviously accept
>> since you called it) is far more appropriately applied to Nasty Newt
>> Gingrich than to Tom Hansen& to Ted Moffett (in his "Saint Augustine:
>> "Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue" response)?
>>
>> Just wonderin'. . .
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>> do nothing.
>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life
>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
>> reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
>> permission of the author.*****
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:34 PM
>> To: Tom Hansen
>> Cc: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'; 'Donovan Arnold'
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>
>>
>> Wow, you've just Godwin'd this thread by comparing this issue to the
>> Nazis. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
>>
>> I'm not looking forward to having to wait an hour for these guys to move
>> a semi-megaload down the highway, but let's try to keep some perspective
>> here. We're talking traffic delays, possible road damage, possible
>> electricity outages, and one giant megacorp putting a little more money
>> in their giant coffers than they otherwise would. Besides, if we "win",
>> they'll just find a more expensive way of moving these things and force
>> the extra cost on to the consumers.
>>
>> I'm not saying you're not fighting the good fight, let's just keep it in
>> perspective.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 05/11/2011 11:02 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>> Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or
>>> Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on
>>> somebody else's door.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
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