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<DIV>You are awesome for doing those petitions, thank you very much!</DIV>
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<DIV>Is there a website that people can go to find out who to contact to sign a petition if they want to, for each county, and what the qualifications are for signing?</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 5/13/11, Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN> <I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Staying Focused: Getting Back to Luna and the MegaloadIssues<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 6:03 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>About getting people to sign. You’re right, it’s easy. I’ve had them stop right in front of the house when I’m outside and yell for petitions. I ‘ve finished 9 of them. One more partly filled. My goal is 10, so I need about 15 more signers. If you want to sign, I really would be willing to meet you someplace. I am doing just Latah County, but if you are from another county, I’ll find out who is getting those and get you in touch with someone. I’ve made some great new friends and have only had two be rude about it..</DIV>
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<DIV>So, if you want to sign, just get back to me. We do need to turn them in asap.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=thansen@moscow.com href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> ; <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>While it may be fun to discuss things like Godwin's Rule, and other irrelevant trivia, we need to get back to the real issues at hand facing Idaho, Tom Luna and the Mega-loads.</DIV>
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<DIV>It is too bad we cannot put Tom Luna in front of the Mega-loads, that way no matter which one won, we would be knocking out one of our two major problems. </DIV>
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<DIV>Joking aside though, I honestly think the city leaders should find a way to block the loads from coming through northern Idaho and make a huge stink about it to the national media as possible, as the local state leaders will not respond. The vast majority of people in this country would oppose disrupting natural parks and wildlife with with big oil company owned rigs at taxpayer expense and with total disregard to the locals. Federal administrators under Democratic leadership would have to stop these loads if it came onto the national radar, even if just as a blip. </DIV>
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<DIV>I think a major door to door campaign to recall Luna's loony laws should take place, and it should be better marketed on the radio, internet, and at local stores and businesses that support education. You don't even need to convince people to sign, just tell the ones that agree where to go, and that is plenty to get it on the ballot.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 5/13/11, Joe Campbell <I><philosopher.joe@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv1735307453>I made this point but Paul is not listening. There was no comparison.<BR><BR>The claim that "the first person in an argument who compares the other side to the Nazis loses the debate" is just stupid. Why not just make the winner the person with the best haircut? The person with the worst argument loses the debate.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1735307453gmail_quote>On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Tom Hansen <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=yiv1735307453gmail_quote>Let me get one thing straight to Mr. <SPAN>Rumelhart</SPAN> and to the rest of you<BR>lacking any sense of comprehension.<BR><BR>My reference to Nazis was NOT aimed at Wayne Krauss.<BR><BR>My comment, word for word, . . .<BR>
<DIV class=yiv1735307453im><BR>"Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or<BR>Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on somebody<BR>else's door."<BR><BR></DIV>The comparison I clearly drew was between "megaloads weren't anywhere near<BR>US95 or Moscow" and Nazis knocking "on somebody else's door."<BR><BR>If you really do feel like dragging this dead horse around with you, how<BR>about taking to your buddies at teh sandbox, ok?<BR><BR>'Nuff said.<BR><BR>Now, if you will excuse me, I have four hours of Moscow Megaload Meeting<BR>videos to edit and post.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR>
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<DIV class=yiv1735307453h5><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Fri, May 13, 2011 7:34 am, Paul Rumelhart wrote:<BR>><BR>> Believe me, I'm no fan of Newt Gingrich. All I need to know about him<BR>> is that he pressed his first wife for divorce while she was in the<BR>> hospital recovering from cancer-related surgery, not to mention<BR>> committing adultery while criticizing Clinton for doing the same thing<BR>> during the Monica Lewinski scandal.<BR>><BR>> Anyway, the idea is that the first person in an argument who compares<BR>> the other side to the Nazis loses the debate.<BR>><BR>> Paul<BR>><BR>> On 05/13/2011 12:00 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:<BR>>> Huh -- I wasn't familiar with that term.<BR>>><BR>>> Since you cited the Wikipedia article ("has been invoked for the<BR>>> inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches"), then do<BR>>> you agree that hyperbolic "Godwin's law" (which you
obviously accept<BR>>> since you called it) is far more appropriately applied to Nasty Newt<BR>>> Gingrich than to Tom Hansen& to Ted Moffett (in his "Saint Augustine:<BR>>> "Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue" response)?<BR>>><BR>>> Just wonderin'. . .<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Saundra Lund<BR>>> Moscow, ID<BR>>><BR>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to<BR>>> do nothing.<BR>>> ~ Edmund Burke<BR>>><BR>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life<BR>>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or<BR>>> reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written<BR>>> permission of the author.*****<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=godshatter@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>godshatter@yahoo.com</A>]<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:34 PM<BR>>> To: Tom Hansen<BR>>> Cc: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'; 'Donovan Arnold'<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Wow, you've just Godwin'd this thread by comparing this issue to the<BR>>> Nazis. See <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law</A><BR>>><BR>>> I'm not looking forward to having to wait an hour for these guys to move<BR>>> a semi-megaload down the highway, but let's try to keep some perspective<BR>>> here. We're talking traffic delays, possible road damage, possible<BR>>> electricity outages, and one giant megacorp putting a little more money<BR>>> in their
giant coffers than they otherwise would. Besides, if we "win",<BR>>> they'll just find a more expensive way of moving these things and force<BR>>> the extra cost on to the consumers.<BR>>><BR>>> I'm not saying you're not fighting the good fight, let's just keep it in<BR>>> perspective.<BR>>><BR>>> Paul<BR>>><BR>>> On 05/11/2011 11:02 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>>>> Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or<BR>>>> Moscow yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on<BR>>>> somebody else's door.<BR>>><BR>>> <snip><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since
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