[Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu May 12 07:43:18 PDT 2011
No one is comparing anyone to the Nazis. No one said "So-and-so is a Nazi"
or "So-and-so is like a Nazi." The analogy was about one type of EXCUSE
being like another. Or does Godwin's Law just apply to folks who happen to
mention the word "Nazi"?
I just find it ironic how you continually chime in about the speech of
others being somewhat below your high standards -- yet the local nutcase
advocating slavery should be given a break!
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> Wow, you've just Godwin'd this thread by comparing this issue to the Nazis.
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
>
> I'm not looking forward to having to wait an hour for these guys to move a
> semi-megaload down the highway, but let's try to keep some perspective here.
> We're talking traffic delays, possible road damage, possible electricity
> outages, and one giant megacorp putting a little more money in their giant
> coffers than they otherwise would. Besides, if we "win", they'll just find a
> more expensive way of moving these things and force the extra cost on to the
> consumers.
>
> I'm not saying you're not fighting the good fight, let's just keep it in
> perspective.
>
> Paul
>
> On 05/11/2011 11:02 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
>> Excusing Krauss because the megaloads weren't anywhere near US95 or Moscow
>> yet is like justifying the Nazis as long as they knock on somebody else's
>> door.
>>
>> "Lame" doesn't begin to describe that logic.
>>
>> Seeya at HIRC tonight, Moscow.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 10:47 am, Saundra Lund wrote:
>>
>>> In part, Donovan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember Governor Cecil D. Andrus and how he blocked the Feds from
>>> entering the state with nuclear waste?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I've got a state policeman and 15 of his friends, and all of them are
>>> prepared to do what is necessary if that truck makes it inside the
>>> borders of this state."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/idaho-governor-blocks-shipments-of-atom-waste-to-us-dump-site.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Too bad we don't have politicians with courage and a working moral
>>> compass
>>> today that really look out for the people they represent! The rights of
>>> local citizens and property owners, and our pristine irreplaceable
>>> environment should not be ignored or put at risk of destruction in favor
>>> of the most privileged billionaires that offer nothing in return for
>>> their
>>> trespasses against us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the fond but all too short stroll down memory lane, Donovan.
>>> I
>>> completely agree.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know Idaho isn’t the only state in this position, but our state
>>> government is rotten to the core now as a direct result, IMHO, of far too
>>> many years of single party (GOP) control. Look where it’s gotten us,
>>> and it’s nowhere good. I’m sure there are still some departments
>>> that
>>> haven’t been destroyed by cronyism& corruption, but IDT surely isn’t
>>> one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, unfortunately, now isn’t the time to reasonably expect and decent
>>> GOP legislators to stand up to the state party. We need look no further
>>> than our own Rep. Tom Trail to see the retaliation when elected officials
>>> opt to look out for the people they represent rather than following the
>>> whacky& dysfunctional state GOP party line. Tom has served his
>>> constituents well over the years, but all the state party cares about now
>>> is forcing its members to be, essentially, jackbooted thugs willing to
>>> kowtow to big monied special interests (including those from
>>> out-of-state), and those unwilling to sell out are marginalized&
>>> stripped
>>> of state positions where they could make a difference. Disgusting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Saundra Lund
>>>
>>> Moscow, ID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life
>>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
>>> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
>>> the author.*****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:59 AM
>>> To: Art Deco; Vision 2020; Craine Kit; Sue Hovey; Tom Hansen
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the history lesson. But that doesn't change any of the facts
>>> on
>>> the ground. The meeting is still a farce because it won't be to discuss
>>> the concerns of the Idaho and Moscow residents unless they are technical
>>> questions about how the transportation will proceed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In all fairness, Council President Krauss was correct that the mega-loads
>>> were not Moscow's specific concern because at the time he said it the
>>> loads were not scheduled to come through Moscow.
>>>
>>> The only thing people of Moscow are being offered is lip service and
>>> information on how the mega-loads are going to come roaring through
>>> downtown in the dead of night. Where is the meeting on how and what is
>>> being done to prevent this from happening? Until that happens, people are
>>> just being played with by the politicians, lawyers, and the big oil
>>> companies that fund them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember Governor Cecil D. Andrus and how he blocked the Feds from
>>> entering the state with nuclear waste?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I've got a state policeman and 15 of his friends, and all of them are
>>> prepared to do what is necessary if that truck makes it inside the
>>> borders of this state."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/idaho-governor-blocks-shipments-of-atom-waste-to-us-dump-site.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Too bad we don't have politicians with courage and a working moral
>>> compass
>>> today that really look out for the people they represent! The rights of
>>> local citizens and property owners, and our pristine irreplaceable
>>> environment should not be ignored or put at risk of destruction in favor
>>> of the most privileged billionaires that offer nothing in return for
>>> their
>>> trespasses against us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donovan Arnold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Tom Hansen<thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tom Hansen<thansen at moscow.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>> To: "Donovan Arnold"<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Art Deco"
>>> <deco at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020"<vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Craine Kit"
>>> <kcraine at frontier.com>, "Sue Hovey"<suehovey at moscow.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 8:27 AM
>>>
>>> A little history lesson here, Mr. Arnold . . .
>>>
>>> On June 28, 2010 the Idaho Transportation Department began what was
>>> expected to be a series of community discussions in Moscow, Lewiston, and
>>> Kamiah. ITD, Conoco, and ExxonMobil were under the impression that these
>>> forums were to be conducted similar to a "high school career day" where
>>> representatives from Conoco and ExxonMobil would present a short speech
>>> from their respective displays. Shortly after Rep. Tom Trail arrived at
>>> the meeting, was informed of the meeting's format, and had a "discussion"
>>> with the ITD rep, the forum was re-formatted to include a Q&A portion.
>>>
>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/ITDmtg_062810.htm
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> On August 16, 2010, during the public commentary portion of the Moscow
>>> City Council session, it was suggested that Moscow adopt a resolution
>>> against the transporting of oversized loads on Highway 12.
>>>
>>> To which Moscow City Council President Wayne Krauss responded, on
>>> September 6th, that the megaloads were none of Moscow's concern.
>>>
>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/MoscowCC_PubCom_Hwy12Res.htm
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> On April 4, 2011 the Idaho Transportation Department presented a report
>>> to
>>> the Moscow City Council outlining US95 and I90 as alternate routes for a
>>> portion of the Highway 12 megaloads. In strong suggestive language
>>> (using
>>> terms like "right" and "ethics") Mayor Chaney asked that a public forum
>>> be
>>> conducted in Moscow so that Moscow's citizens may be heard on this issue.
>>>
>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/040411_05_MegaloadsITD.htm
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2011, during the Moscow City Council session, Mayor Chaney
>>> presented an update concerning the potential for megaloads being
>>> transported through Moscow on US95.
>>>
>>> http://www.moscowcares.com/041811_05_Megaloads.htm
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> So . . . you see, Mr. Arnold. In my opinion, where the people of Moscow
>>> are concerned, Mayor Chaney has their back.
>>>
>>> Perhaps your anguish would be better aimed at Moscow City Council
>>> President Wayne Krauss who publicly expressed that these megaloads are
>>> not
>>> of Moscow's concern.
>>>
>>> Footnote, V-peeps: Although Rep. Tom Trail and Moscow City Council
>>> President Wayne Krauss are both members of the Republican Party, there
>>> are
>>> three words that clearly define the difference between them . . .
>>>
>>> CONCERN FOR CONSTITUENTS
>>>
>>> You decide who's got your back next time you step into the voting booth.
>>>
>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 6:40 am, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sue,
>>>> Â
>>>> I don't think that Mayor Cheney believes that the other issues are not
>>>> of
>>>> concern. I just don't think the Mayor can restrict what people can ask,
>>>> only what she and her invited speakers are willing to address. I think
>>>> having a public forum simply to take only technical questions is rather
>>>> pointless unless you are an engineering student. Most people won't have
>>>> technical questions about the transport if explained the process in a
>>>> well written article posted on the internet and published in the paper.
>>>> I
>>>> think the meeting is a farce if the real questions and concerns people
>>>> have are not even allowed to be asked.
>>>> Â
>>>> How about this question? What can the people do to stop these
>>>> mega-transports?
>>>> Â
>>>> Donovan Arnold
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Sue Hovey<suehovey at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com> >
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Sue Hovey<suehovey at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com> >
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>>> To: "Art Deco"<deco at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deco@moscow.com> >,
>>>>
>>>> "Vision 2020"<vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
>>>> >,
>>>>
>>>> "Donovan Arnold"<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>>> <
>>>> http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> , "Tom Hansen"
>>>>>
>>>> <thansen at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com> >,
>>>>
>>>> "Craine Kit"<kcraine at frontier.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcraine@frontier.com> >
>>>>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 11:45 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom, Donovan& All,
>>>> Â
>>>> I don’t see that framing the discussion around local issues is a
>>>> signal
>>>> that the Mayor has declared the rest to be ok. It seems to me the
>>>> meeting was set to discuss impacts on our city. Those are the concerns
>>>> which will determine whether they get a permit to transport the rigs.Â
>>>> Obviously the other risks are not important to the Governor, ITD, and
>>>> other folks or this wouldn’t have already happened in Idaho. Â
>>>> Â As a
>>>> group of citizens concerned with this whole mess--how Exxon Mobile and
>>>> other oil extractors are willing to do any damage to any environment,
>>>> and
>>>> any people simply to turn a profit you point out a legitimate
>>>> discussion
>>>> topic for Moscow citizens, and I bet the mayor is willing to have that
>>>> meeting, too. Why not ask her.Â
>>>> Â
>>>> Sue H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Â
>>>>
>>>> From: Art Deco
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:39 PM
>>>> To: Vision 2020
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>>> Â
>>>>
>>>> These megaloads are an extremely great deal for us!
>>>> Â
>>>> We can help kill lots of First Nations Canadians and others, cause the
>>>> greatest environmental disaster in the history of North America, and
>>>> help
>>>> our sneakiest global competitors, the Chinese, who own the majority
>>>> interests in the tar sands projects, to prosper even more at our
>>>> expense.
>>>> Â
>>>> Paraphrasing Langston Hughes:Â Everyone benefits from these megaloads.
>>>> Big oil gets to ride, we gets to watch them ride.
>>>> Â
>>>> w.
>>>> Â
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Donovan Arnold
>>>> To: Tom Hansen ; Craine Kit
>>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>>> Â
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My Questions;
>>>> Â
>>>> How did the Mayor acquire the ability to dictate what questions can an
>>>> cannot be asked? I understand informing people they will only answer
>>>> questions they feel are related to the transport of the megaloads, but
>>>> to
>>>> tell people what they can and cannot ask seems more like a scripted
>>>> event
>>>> than an actual Q&A session.
>>>> Â
>>>> Why should any people be required to allow these megaloads to be run
>>>> through their towns when they are not designed to handle this kind
>>>> transport? I don't think it would hurt Exxon Mobile financially to
>>>> find
>>>> another means of transporting their product without disrupting the
>>>> quality
>>>> of life, safety, and well being of others with lesser means than them.
>>>> Â
>>>> Donovan Arnold
>>>> Â
>>>> Â
>>>> --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Craine Kit<kcraine at frontier.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcraine@frontier.com> >
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Craine Kit<kcraine at frontier.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcraine@frontier.com> >
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>>> To: "Tom Hansen"<thansen at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com> >
>>>>
>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"<vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com> >
>>>>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 9:47 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, one must ask about the impact of the convoy of 30 or soÂ
>>>> vehicles--which is said to take an hour to pass any particular point.
>>>>
>>>> Kit Craine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of today's (May 10, 2011) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> OUR VIEW: Questions about semimegaloads in Moscow
>>>>> Lee Rozen, for the editorial board
>>>>> Posted on: Tuesday, May 10, 2011
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the middle of about 60 nights this year, Imperial Oil/ExxonMobilÂ
>>>>> wants
>>>>> to send oil equipment convoys that are a block or so long, two lanesÂ
>>>>> wide
>>>>> and 16 feet tall rumbling and blinking north through downtown Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Korean-built equipment would head from Lewiston via U.S. HighwayÂ
>>>>> 95,
>>>>> Interstate 90 and Montana to the Kearl Oil Sands in Alberta. To getÂ
>>>>> each
>>>>> load from Lewiston to the Benewah County line should take one night
>>>>> between 10 p.m. and 5:30 a.m. Officials promise traffic delays of noÂ
>>>>> more
>>>>> than 15 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the travel plan is under review, and neither Idaho nor Montana has
>>>>> issued the necessary permits, or said when they will. The Moscow
>>>>> semi-megaload route has been chosen because of the delays in getting
>>>>> megaloads up the scenic U.S. Highway 12 corridor.
>>>>>
>>>>> ExxonMobil and Idaho Transportation Department officials haveÂ
>>>>> deigned to
>>>>> listen to Moscow's concerns about that at 7 p.m. Wednesday at theÂ
>>>>> Hamilton
>>>>> Indoor Recreation Center, 1724 E. F St.
>>>>>
>>>>> At that meeting. ITD and oil company officials will talk first, andÂ
>>>>> then
>>>>> take questions and comments from those who have signed in. Also, youÂ
>>>>> can
>>>>> email your thoughts to the ITD at comments at itd.idaho.gov
>>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=comments@itd.idaho.gov>
>>>>> ,
>>>>>
>>>>> and the City
>>>>> Council at skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us
>>>>> <http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=skalasz@ci.moscow.id.us>
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Mayor Nancy Chaney apparently has declared the morality of ExxonMobil
>>>>> profits, the Kearl Oil Sands project and fossil fuel consumption
>>>>> off-limits for discussion Wednesday night.
>>>>>
>>>>> ExxonMobil made profits of $10.7 billion in first quarter 2011. SomeÂ
>>>>> say
>>>>> the Kearl Oil Sands project is destroying the Canadian environment and
>>>>> killing residents of the area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, that leaves plenty of questions that need answers:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who makes sure delays are only 15 minutes? What happens if theyÂ
>>>>> aren't?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will all cross-streets in Moscow be closed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a delay if traffic keeps moving at 15 miles an hour behind the
>>>>> convoy? (The ITD says it isn't a delay; federal rules say it is.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Who pays for moving power lines and stoplights out of the way?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will this semi-megaload convoy be likely to wake me up when it goesÂ
>>>>> by my
>>>>> house or apartment?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will you notify shippers - and the media so they can alert theÂ
>>>>> public - in
>>>>> advance of a convoy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once permits are issued, can their terms be changed without notice?
>>>>>
>>>>> What if state police escorts get called to an emergency? Will thatÂ
>>>>> stall
>>>>> the convoy?
>>>>>
>>>>> What if Montana won't let the semi-megaloads in?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's hope we hear some good answers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya there, Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "This is the 'Mouse that Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and 'Avatar' all
>>>>> rolled into one. We must remember that the thousands of citizensÂ
>>>>> involved
>>>>> in this effort to protect their personal and family safety, their
>>>>> businesses and their lifestyles are confronting some of the largest
>>>>> international corporations in the world."
>>>>>
>>>>> - Linwood Laughy
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