[Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Wed May 11 12:56:56 PDT 2011


And for music during the intermisison, may I recommend . . . from the
movie "Best LIttle Whorehouse in Texas" . . .

"The Sidestep"
http://www.TomandRodna.com/Songs/Sidestep.mp3

Seeya at the meetin', Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho




On Wed, May 11, 2011 12:33 pm, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
>
> Perhaps a little music will help set, or reinforce, the mood for the
> meeting.
>
> The first piece that comes to mind is John Williams' The Imperial March
> from
> the second Star Wars movie, The Empire Strikes Back.
>
> Others?
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> On Wednesday 11 May 2011 10:43:59 Andy Boyd wrote:
>> Ultimately I don't think it matters what the city wants and the govt.
>> and
>> Exxon don't care if we say bring em through or not... Exxon seems to be
>> telling Boise how it's going to go and they roll over like puppies to
>> show
>> subservience... Andy Boyd
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Betsy Dickow
>>   To: 'Andy Boyd'
>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:35 AM
>>   Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>
>>
>>   And the city will roll over and say please, oh please, send them
>> through!
>>
>>
>>
>>   Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>>   From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Andy Boyd Sent:
>> Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:27 AM
>>   To: Vision 2020
>>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>
>>
>>
>>   The meeting is a farce because Exxon lies. Ie. can't make megaloads
>> smaller.
>>
>>   The meeting is a farce because the Govenor and ITD rubbber stamps
>> anything Exxon wants.
>>
>>   The meeting is a farce because Exxon's technical expertise was shown
>> to
>> be suspect when they sent the load on hwy 12 and had the power line
>> issues
>> (great job rubber stamping ITD).
>>
>>   Don't like to be pesimistic but exxon gets what exxon wants and the
>> rest
>> is lip service.
>>
>>   Cheers
>>
>>   Andy Boyd
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>     From: Donovan Arnold
>>
>>     To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020 ; Craine Kit ; Sue Hovey ; Tom Hansen
>>
>>     Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:59 AM
>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in Moscow
>>
>>
>>
>>           Tom Hansen,
>>
>>
>>
>>           Thanks for the history lesson. But that doesn't change any of
>> the
>> facts on the ground. The meeting is still a farce because it won't be to
>> discuss the concerns of the Idaho and Moscow residents unless they are
>> technical questions about how the transportation will proceed.
>>
>>
>>
>>           In all fairness, Council President Krauss was correct that the
>> mega-loads were not Moscow's specific concern because at the time he
>> said
>> it the loads were not scheduled to come through Moscow.
>>
>>           The only thing people of Moscow are being offered is lip
>> service
>> and information on how the mega-loads are going to come roaring through
>> downtown in the dead of night. Where is the meeting on how and what is
>> being done to prevent this from happening? Until that happens, people
>> are
>> just being played with by the politicians, lawyers, and the big oil
>> companies that fund them.
>>
>>
>>
>>           Remember Governor Cecil D. Andrus and how he  blocked the Feds
>> from entering the state with nuclear waste?
>>
>>
>>
>>            "I've got a state policeman and 15 of his friends, and all of
>> them are prepared to do what is necessary if that truck makes it inside
>> the borders of this state."
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/idaho-governor-blocks-shipments-of-at
>> om-waste-to-us-dump-site.html
>>
>>
>>
>>           Too bad we don't have politicians with courage and a working
>> moral compass today that really look out for the people they represent!
>> The rights of local citizens and property owners, and our pristine
>> irreplaceable environment should not be ignored or put at risk of
>> destruction in favor of the most privileged billionaires that offer
>> nothing in return for their trespasses against us.
>>
>>
>>
>>           Donovan Arnold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>           --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>             From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>             Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads in
>> Moscow To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Art Deco"
>> <deco at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Craine Kit"
>> <kcraine at frontier.com>, "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com> Date:
>> Wednesday,
>> May 11, 2011, 8:27 AM
>>
>>             A little history lesson here, Mr. Arnold . . .
>>
>>             On June 28, 2010 the Idaho Transportation Department began
>> what
>> was expected to be a series of community discussions in Moscow,
>> Lewiston,
>> and Kamiah.  ITD, Conoco, and ExxonMobil were under the impression that
>> these forums were to be conducted similar to a "high school career day"
>> where representatives from Conoco and ExxonMobil would present a short
>> speech from their respective displays.  Shortly after Rep. Tom Trail
>> arrived at the meeting, was informed of the meeting's format, and had a
>> "discussion" with the ITD rep, the forum was re-formatted to include a
>> Q&A
>> portion.
>>
>>             http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/ITDmtg_062810.htm
>>
>>             ----------------------
>>
>>             On August 16, 2010, during the public commentary portion of
>> the
>> Moscow City Council session, it was suggested that Moscow adopt a
>> resolution against the transporting of oversized loads on Highway 12.
>>
>>             To which Moscow City Council President Wayne Krauss
>> responded,
>> on September 6th, that the megaloads were none of Moscow's concern.
>>
>>
>> http://www.moscowcares.com/highway12/MoscowCC_PubCom_Hwy12Res.htm
>>
>>             ----------------------
>>
>>             On April 4, 2011 the Idaho Transportation Department
>> presented
>> a report to the Moscow City Council outlining US95 and I90 as alternate
>> routes for a portion of the Highway 12 megaloads.  In strong suggestive
>> language (using terms like "right" and "ethics") Mayor Chaney asked that
>> a
>> public forum be conducted in Moscow so that Moscow's citizens may be
>> heard
>> on this issue.
>>
>>             http://www.moscowcares.com/040411_05_MegaloadsITD.htm
>>
>>             ----------------------
>>
>>             On April 18, 2011, during the Moscow City Council session,
>> Mayor Chaney presented an update concerning the potential for megaloads
>> being transported through Moscow on US95.
>>
>>             http://www.moscowcares.com/041811_05_Megaloads.htm
>>
>>             ------------------------------------
>>
>>             So . . . you see, Mr. Arnold.  In my opinion, where the
>> people
>> of Moscow are concerned, Mayor Chaney has their back.
>>
>>             Perhaps your anguish would be better aimed at Moscow City
>> Council President Wayne Krauss who publicly expressed that these
>> megaloads
>> are not of Moscow's concern.
>>
>>             Footnote, V-peeps:  Although Rep. Tom Trail and Moscow City
>> Council President Wayne Krauss are both members of the Republican Party,
>> there are three words that clearly define the difference between them .
>> .
>> .
>>
>>             CONCERN FOR CONSTITUENTS
>>
>>             You decide who's got your back next time you step into the
>> voting booth.
>>
>>             Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>>             Tom Hansen
>>             Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>             On Wed, May 11, 2011 6:40 am, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>             > Sue,
>>             > Â
>>             > I don't think that Mayor Cheney believes that the other
>>             > issues are not of concern. I just don't think the Mayor
>> can
>>             > restrict what people can ask, only what she and her
>> invited
>>             > speakers are willing to address. I think having a public
>>             > forum simply to take only technical questions is rather
>>             > pointless unless you are an engineering student. Most
>> people
>>             > won't have technical questions about the transport ifÂ
>>             > explained the process in a well written article posted on
>>             > the internet and published in the paper. I think the
>> meeting
>>             > is a farce if the real questions and concerns people
>> have
>>             > are not even allowed to be asked.
>>             > Â
>>             > How about this question? What can the people do to stop
>> these
>>             > mega-transports?
>>             > Â
>>             > Donovan Arnold
>>             >
>>             > --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
>> wrote:
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
>>             > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads
>> in
>>             > Moscow To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020"
>>             > <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Donovan Arnold"
>>             > <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Tom Hansen"
>>             > <thansen at moscow.com>, "Craine Kit" <kcraine at frontier.com>
>>             > Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 11:45 PM
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Tom, Donovan & All,
>>             > Â
>>             > I don’t see that framing the discussion around
>> local issues
>>             > is a signal that the Mayor has declared the rest to be
>> ok.Â
>>             > It seems to me the meeting was set to discuss impacts on
>> our
>>             > city. Those are the concerns which will determine whether
>>             > they get a permit to transport the rigs. Obviously the
>>             > other risks are not important to the Governor, ITD, and
>>             > other folks or this wouldn’t have already happened
>> in
>>             > Idaho.    As a group of citizens concerned with this
>>             > whole mess--how Exxon Mobile and other oil extractors are
>>             > willing to do any damage to any environment, and any
>> people
>>             > simply to turn a profit—you point out a legitimate
>>             > discussion topic for Moscow citizens, and I bet the mayor
>> is
>>             > willing to have that meeting, too.  Why not ask her.Â
>>             > Â
>>             > Sue H.
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Â
>>             >
>>             > From: Art Deco
>>             > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:39 PM
>>             > To: Vision 2020
>>             > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads
>> in
>>             > Moscow Â
>>             >
>>             > These megaloads are an extremely great deal for us!
>>             > Â
>>             > We can help kill lots of First Nations Canadians and
>> others,
>>             > cause the greatest environmental disaster in the history
>> of
>>             > North America, and help our sneakiest global competitors,
>>             > the Chinese, who own the majority interests in the tar
>> sands
>>             > projects, to prosper even more at our expense. Â
>>             > Paraphrasing Langston Hughes:Â  Everyone benefits from
>> these
>>             > megaloads. Big oil gets to ride, we gets to watch them
>> ride.
>>             > Â
>>             > w.
>>             > Â
>>             >
>>             > ----- Original Message -----
>>             > From: Donovan Arnold
>>             > To: Tom Hansen ; Craine Kit
>>             > Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
>>             > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:40 AM
>>             > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads
>> in
>>             > Moscow Â
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > My Questions;
>>             > Â
>>             > How did the Mayor acquire the ability to dictate what
>>             > questions can an cannot be asked? I understand informing
>>             > people they will only answer questions they feel are
>> related
>>             > to the transport of the megaloads, but to tell people what
>>             > they can and cannot ask seems more like a scripted event
>>             > than an actual Q&A session.
>>             > Â
>>             > Why should any people be required to allow these megaloads
>> to
>>             > be run through their towns when they are not designed to
>>             > handle this kind transport? I don't think it would hurt
>>             > Exxon Mobile financially  to find another means of
>>             > transporting their product without disrupting the quality
>> of
>>             > life, safety, and well being of others with lesser means
>>             > than them. Â
>>             > Donovan Arnold
>>             > Â
>>             > Â
>>             > --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Craine Kit <kcraine at frontier.com>
>> wrote:
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > From: Craine Kit <kcraine at frontier.com>
>>             > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions About Semi-Megaloads
>> in
>>             > Moscow To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>             > Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>             > Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 9:47 AM
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Of course, one must ask about the impact of the convoy of
>> 30
>>             > or so vehicles--which is said to take an hour to pass
>> any
>>             > particular point.
>>             >
>>             > Kit Craine
>>             >
>>             > On May 10, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>             >> Courtesy of today's (May 10, 2011) Moscow-Pullman Daily
>>             >> News.
>>             >>
>>             >> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>             >> --------------
>>             >>
>>             >> OUR VIEW: Questions about semimegaloads in Moscow
>>             >> Lee Rozen, for the editorial board
>>             >> Posted on: Tuesday, May 10, 2011
>>             >>
>>             >>
>>             >> In the middle of about 60 nights this year, Imperial
>>             >> Oil/ExxonMobil wants
>>             >> to send oil equipment convoys that are a block or so
>> long,
>>             >> two lanes wide
>>             >> and 16 feet tall rumbling and blinking north through
>>             >> downtown Moscow.
>>             >>
>>             >> The Korean-built equipment would head from Lewiston via
>> U.S.
>>             >> Highway 95,
>>             >> Interstate 90 and Montana to the Kearl Oil Sands in
>> Alberta.
>>             >> To get each
>>             >> load from Lewiston to the Benewah County line should take
>>             >> one night between 10 p.m. and 5:30 a.m. Officials promise
>>             >> traffic delays of no more
>>             >> than 15 minutes.
>>             >>
>>             >> But the travel plan is under review, and neither Idaho
>> nor
>>             >> Montana has issued the necessary permits, or said when
>> they
>>             >> will. The Moscow semi-megaload route has been chosen
>>             >> because of the delays in getting megaloads up the scenic
>>             >> U.S. Highway 12 corridor.
>>             >>
>>             >> ExxonMobil and Idaho Transportation Department officials
>>             >> have deigned to
>>             >> listen to Moscow's concerns about that at 7 p.m.
>> Wednesday
>>             >> at the Hamilton
>>             >> Indoor Recreation Center, 1724 E. F St.
>>             >>
>>             >> At that meeting. ITD and oil company officials will talk
>>             >> first, and then
>>             >> take questions and comments from those who have signed
>> in.
>>             >> Also, you can
>>             >> email your thoughts to the ITD at comments at itd.idaho.gov,
>>             >> and the City Council at skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us.
>>             >>
>>             >> Mayor Nancy Chaney apparently has declared the morality
>> of
>>             >> ExxonMobil profits, the Kearl Oil Sands project and
>> fossil
>>             >> fuel consumption off-limits for discussion Wednesday
>> night.
>>             >>
>>             >> ExxonMobil made profits of $10.7 billion in first quarter
>>             >> 2011. Some say
>>             >> the Kearl Oil Sands project is destroying the Canadian
>>             >> environment and killing residents of the area.
>>             >>
>>             >> Still, that leaves plenty of questions that need answers:
>>             >>
>>             >> Who makes sure delays are only 15 minutes? What happens
>> if
>>             >> they aren't?
>>             >>
>>             >> Will all cross-streets in Moscow be closed?
>>             >>
>>             >> Is it a delay if traffic keeps moving at 15 miles an hour
>>             >> behind the convoy? (The ITD says it isn't a delay;
>> federal
>>             >> rules say it is.)
>>             >>
>>             >> Who pays for moving power lines and stoplights out of the
>>             >> way?
>>             >>
>>             >> Will this semi-megaload convoy be likely to wake me up
>> when
>>             >> it goes by my
>>             >> house or apartment?
>>             >>
>>             >> Will you notify shippers - and the media so they can
>> alert
>>             >> the public - in
>>             >> advance of a convoy?
>>             >>
>>             >> Once permits are issued, can their terms be changed
>> without
>>             >> notice?
>>             >>
>>             >> What if state police escorts get called to an emergency?
>>             >> Will that stall
>>             >> the convoy?
>>             >>
>>             >> What if Montana won't let the semi-megaloads in?
>>             >>
>>             >> Let's hope we hear some good answers.
>>             >>
>>             >> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>             >> --------------
>>             >>
>>             >> Seeya there, Moscow.
>>             >>
>>             >> Tom Hansen
>>             >> Moscow, Idaho
>>             >>
>>             >> "This is the 'Mouse that Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and
>>             >> 'Avatar' all rolled into one.  We must remember that
>> the
>>             >> thousands of citizens involved
>>             >> in this effort to protect their personal and family
>> safety,
>>             >> their businesses and their lifestyles are confronting
>> some
>>             >> of the largest international corporations in the world."
>>             >>
>>             >> - Linwood Laughy
>>             >>
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