[Vision2020] Angry Hens

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu May 5 13:10:04 PDT 2011


Hey, it's just his rights after all.  String him up by his thumbs for all I care.  Just don't come bitching to me when someone decides to do it to you.

If there is a problem with the system, and I concur that there may well be, work within the system to change it.  I'm behind that.  I just don't see what good complaining vociferously about his upcoming wedding and links to Christ Church is going to do.  I'm glad that his church elders are working with him in an attempt to improve his life.  It's at least possible that this will have more of a positive effect on his behavior than, say, Tom's website will.

I would also like to say that I hate standing up for the rights of someone you don't agree with and getting painted with the same brush.  I am in no way supporting anything at all about this guy except for his right to get married and associate with a pastor you don't like.  If you think he shouldn't be allowed to get married or have kids, petition for a change in the law.  It's possible I might even be convinced to join you, if you put forward a persuasive enough argument.  But for now, he can do as he likes.


Paul



________________________________
From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Angry Hens


 
I guess we can now count Kai Eiselein and Paul Rumelhart among 
those that see the problem of exposing the future children of Steven 
Sitler to the highly probable risk described by the attached court document as 
much less egregious than the problem of trying to prevent such a 
tragedy.
 
The right to marry and sire fodder for highly probable 
pedophilic perversions versus the right to speak out against such an 
outrage.  Sorry Kai and Paul, I'm not there.
 
Maybe Kai and Paul should join Prosecuting 
Attorney William Thompson and Sheriff Wayne Rausch, two elected officials 
who help to enable this debacle, and who now continue their very public 
association and support of the Christ Church Cult.
 
Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  
83843
 
waf at moscow.com
208 
882-7975

----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Rosemary Huskey 
>To: 'Paul Rumelhart' ; 'Kai  Eiselein' 
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:21  PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Angry 
Hens
>
>
> 
> 
>From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul  Rumelhart
>Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:57 PM
>To: Kai  Eiselein
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Angry Hens
> 
>
>I was going to reply along these lines, myself.  
>
>We get it.  You all hate Doug Wilson and his church, and anything 
  connected with it.  But I like to follow the legal fiction that this guy 
  is free to do as he likes with regards to his personal relationships that are 
  not explicitly forbidden in his court documents (assuming, of course, that no 
  new laws are being broken), even if you all don't agree with it.
>
>I 
  mean, what exactly is the alternative?  Stake him to the ground and let 
  the buzzards get him?
>
>Paul
>
>
>On 05/04/2011 08:44 PM, Kai 
  Eiselein wrote: 
>All this from the "its nobody's business about who  marries who" crowd.
>While Sitler's actions with children are a definate 
  concern to the community, I really don't see how who he marries, or who 
  marries him is anyone else's business, assuming she is an adult.
>Now, stop 
  acting like a bunch of gossiping women at the hairdresser and take your own 
  advice and butt the f--k out.
>
> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 19:36:21 -0700 (PDT)
>> 
  From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> 
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler Travis Wedding
>> To: "Rosemary Huskey" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
>> 
  Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> 
  Message-ID: <a4e2ac08d38b15a651144fdf35403718.squirrel at secure.fsr.com>
>> 
  Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>> 
>> To quote one of 
  my favorite lines from "West Side Story" after Maria (one
>> of the 
  girlfriends of one of the Sharks' gang members) had gotten in Russ
>> 
  Tamblyn's (the leader of the Jets) face and unloaded on him, one of 
  the
>> Jets proclaims . . .
>> 
>> "The girl's got 
  spunk!"
>> 
>> Same at ya, Rose.
>> 
>> Tom Hansen
>> 
  Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 
  6:31 pm, Rosemary Huskey wrote:
>> > Visionaries,
>> >
>> 
  > About a month ago I published an email on V2020 addressed to Doug 
  Wilson
>> > and
>> > his elders regarding the forthcoming 
  marriage of Steven Sitler and Katie
>> > Travis <http://june11eleven.com/> . I  specifically named the elders so
>> > that
>> > in their daily 
  out and about in Moscow you would know who they are and
>> > 
  what
>> > they represent. Now, I will answer some of the questions 
  that I
>> > (rhetorically) asked them. (They didn't bother to answer 
  me.) A degree of
>> > culpability for supporting this sacrilegious 
  "marriage" covers all of
>> > them,
>> > but some actors are 
  more deeply involved than others.
>> >
>> > The following list 
  of elders (with the exception of John Grauke - who
>> > depends on the 
  Kirk to supply patients to him so is beholden indirectly to
>> > Doug) 
  are employed by Kirk owned or allied ventures. Nothing keeps the
>> > 
  toadies in line like a regular pay check. Ben Merkle is on the faculty 
  of
>> > New Saint Andrews and is married to Doug's eldest daughter, 
  who
>> > mysteriously
>> > refers to her father as a 
  Presbyterian minister on press releases for her
>> > business
>> 
  > <http://www.ttfabrics.net/cgi-bin/fabricshop/designer.cgi?designer=71> .
>> > When did that ordination happen, Doug? Gordon Wilson is Doug's 
  brother.
>> >
>> > Dale Courtney, Dr. John Grauke, Matt Gray, 
  Ed Iverson, Mike Lawyer, Csaba
>> > Leidenfrost, Ben Merkle, Jim 
  Nance, John Sawyer, Wes Struble, Matt
>> > Whitling,
>> > and 
  Gordon Wilson, and Pastor Doug Wilson
>> >
>> > Katie Travis 
  and Steven Sitler are "grateful" to NSA librarian and church
>> > 
  elder Ed Iverson and his wife <http://june11eleven.com/?page_id=114> for
>> > arranging their meeting and supporting their courtship. It is 
  disturbing
>> > to
>> > learn that Miss Travis had known Mr. 
  and Mrs. Iverson for many years prior
>> > to her arrival at NSA. She 
  boarded with them during her NSA tenure. I
>> > know
>> > 
  there is a word for a person who procures women for men, but I don't 
  know
>> > the word for someone who engineers a marriage with a serial 
  pedophile. It
>> > is true that Miss Travis asked Ed Iverson to find a 
  suitable husband for
>> > her, but I can't imagine she meant a child 
  molesting felon.
>> >
>> > I wondered if her home church 
  pastor was aware of this travesty. Silly
>> > me.
>> > Of 
  course he was aware. Click on the links for more info on Tim Tucker.
>> 
  > The
>> > bolding in the bottom line of his vita is mine.
>> 
  >
>> > "Pastor Rev. Tim Tucker <http://www.logosfallon.com/staff/tucker.php> was
>> > born in Sandpoint, Idaho, but grew-up in Connell, Washington 
  with an older
>> > brother. If he could live anywhere it would be 
  "Right here in Fallon, I
>> > love
>> > it here!" Tim is the 
  Pastor of Immanuel Presbyterian Church here in
>> > Fallon,
>> 
  > and also serves as the Headmaster of our school. Tim teaches at LCA 
  [Logos
>> > Christian Academy] because he wants to see generational 
  growth in God's
>> > Kingdom in Fallon. In his free time he likes to 
  date his wife, play with
>> > his
>> > children and read. Tim 
  is married to Carleen (for 34 years), and they have
>> > eleven 
  blessed children: Heather, Heidi, Holly, Forrest, Hillary, Hannah,
>> 
  > Fred, Ford, Freeman, Finn and Hallie. He is also the proud grandpa of 
  nine
>> > grandchildren with another on the way! Mr. Tucker is 
  committed to
>> > classical
>> > education and to the work of 
  rearing up children in the ways of the Lord.
>> > He has been involved 
  in education from a Christian perspective for over 25
>> > years. He 
  has lived in Fallon since 2001.
>> > Education:
>> > B.A. 
  (Religion and Philosophy) from Northwest Nazarene University
>> > 
  Fellow of Greyfriar's Hall, Moscow, ID (M.Div. equivalent)
>> 
  >
>> > What's with the Pastor Rev. crapola? I don't see any 
  evidence that a
>> > genuine (recognized by a national affiliation) 
  Presbyterian church
>> > ordained
>> > him. Perhaps it is the 
  same church that laid hands on Doug. Or, could it
>> > be
>> > 
  that he is claiming affiliation with a respected denomination to boost 
  his
>> > own rather rickety credentials? And yes, it is not accidental 
  that fat
>> > old
>> > Friar Tuck has also started a Logos 
  clone. School start up is part of the
>> > requirements for graduation 
  from Doug's pseudo-seminary, Greyfriar's Hall.
>> > (Note the loop 
  effect, Greyfriar graduates have to start up a Logos style
>> > school 
  which in turn must pay to join Doug's school accreditation business
>> 
  > the Association of Classical Christian Schools <http://www.accsedu.org/> .
>> 
  > Kirkers may claim it's about a worldview, but since money is part of 
  every
>> > transaction, it really is all about the money. Can you 
  smell the pyramid
>> > scheme lurking in the background?)
>> 
  >
>> > If you know anyone if Fallon, Nevada who is looking for a 
  church home, I'd
>> > sure as heck steer them away from this one. If 
  you'd like to ask Pastor
>> > Rev. Tucker what led him down this path 
  his email is:
>> > friartuck53 at cccomm.net). Don't expect  an answer though; he is not
>> > interested in explaining his role in 
  this ungodly marriage. Taking
>> > responsibility for bad behavior has 
  never been a high priority in CREC
>> > (Confederation of Reformed 
  Evangelical Churches - Doug Wilson's home-grown
>> > invention of 
  like-minded individuals.) Incidentally, CREC utilizes a
>> > 
  presbyterian [note the small "p" it is an adjective not a noun] style 
  of
>> > church governance. Capitalizing the P does not mean that they 
  meet any of
>> > the requirements for ordination, nor are they 
  associated with nationally
>> > recognized Presbyterian churches. For 
  example, they are not, absolutely
>> > not, associated with the real 
  live local Presbyterian Church. Does anyone
>> > think for a moment 
  that because I live in a town called Moscow; saw the
>> > movie Black 
  Swan; and conduct ballet classes on my back patio, that I am
>> > 
  somehow entitled to describe my pretend classes as an extension school 
  of
>> > the Bolshi? Same deal, and just as ridiculous as Doug's loony 
  claim.
>> >
>> > Speaking of ministers, how 'bout Pastor Eby 
  of our local Nazarene Church?
>> > What makes him tick? Why in the 
  world did he get involved with this mess?
>> > If he didn't know about 
  Sitler's crimes when the church was rented, he
>> > certainly knows 
  now. I wonder what his congregation thinks about this use
>> > of 
  their church? It kinda reminds me of the warning in Matthew 21:12
>> > <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21&version=NIV> . I
>> > don't have a doubt in the world that Pastor Eby would be 
  unwilling to
>> > rent
>> > his church to a person who is a 
  notorious abortion provider. I have
>> > always
>> > wondered 
  why there is an overwhelming concern to protect the unborn
>> > 
  "child"
>> > but not so much for babies after birth. Steven Sitler has 
  in effect
>> > murdered the spirits of countless children
>> > 
  <http://www.findcounseling.com/journal/child-abuse/survivors-childhood-abuse
>> 
  > .html> but I guess that doesn't count when someone pays top dollar to 
  use
>> > the sanctuary. (Doug Wilson will perform the 
  service.)
>> >
>> > Are you seeing the pattern of spiritually 
  corrupt CREC ministers in this
>> > mess? As to the parents of both 
  the bride and groom - they are beyond
>> > shame, I get that. No 
  father in his right mind would give his permission
>> > (which is 
  generally required in CREC marriages) to this grotesque match.
>> > 
  As
>> > far as the Sitler seniors are concerned, they appear to be 
  ecstatic that
>> > they are marrying off that nasty piece of work they 
  hatched. They have
>> > left
>> > their old church
>> 
  > <http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/Private_Letter.htm> - the one
>> > that dis-fellowed Steven when he admitted to molesting 
  children (including
>> > at least one in their congregation) - in 
  favor of a new CREC church
>> > <http://knox.crecpresbytery.org/> plant in Colville. Everywhere I look I
>> > see the footprints of Doug 
  Wilson's size 14 combat boots.
>> >
>> > And here is the point 
  of this series of emails. When Doug and the boys
>> > rip
>> > 
  off community members in Moscow by running gambling casinos, illegal
>> 
  > boarding houses, plunking a college and an under-the-radar boys school 
  in
>> > central Moscow, or not paying taxes when they rented space to 
  for- profit
>> > businesses on tax free property they are a pain in 
  the ass. And, yes,
>> > thanks to the lack of backbones the city 
  council let them get by with
>> > their
>> > self-entitled 
  bull shit. The Daily News has had a long-term love affair
>> > with 
  all things Kirkish for years. A bottle of wine goes a long way to
>> > 
  buying good press I guess. Again, annoying but not worth much more in 
  the
>> > long run than throwing up ones hands and sighing. I know that 
  calling out
>> > the Kirk is risky business. And, most folks have the 
  mother wit not to
>> > get
>> > involved. After all, there is 
  a price to pay for pointing out their
>> > nastiness. Saundra and I, 
  not to mention Tom Hanson, are keenly aware of
>> > this. But we won't 
  stop - silence is acquiescence and we would be ashamed
>> > of 
  ourselves if we cut and ran when things get a uncomfortable.
>> > 
  (Curiously,
>> > shame is a motivator for us, but Kirkers, not so 
  much.)
>> >
>> > This wedding is a different kettle of fish - 
  it involves so much more than
>> > cheap chiselers thumbing their 
  noses at city regulations. This is the
>> > culmination of years of 
  unrelenting propaganda that preaches the sole
>> > purpose of women on 
  this earth is to marry and breed. Of course Miss
>> > Travis
>> 
  > wants a husband, how could she be a real grown up without one? 
  Getting
>> > married means that God is blessing you. Failure to snag a 
  husband means
>> > that
>> > no matter what else you 
  accomplish, you are a failure, half a person,
>> > incomplete, in the 
  eyes of the faithful. This unrelenting message leads
>> > foolish 
  young woman like Miss Travis to become engaged on a second date to
>> 
  > a
>> > really creepy criminal. Her obsessive desire to be married 
  is heart
>> > breaking on many levels.
>> >
>> > But, 
  my sympathy for Miss Travis, although sincere, has to be measured
>> > 
  against what I am sure is her desire to have children. Someone has to 
  be
>> > the advocate for the (potential) children of this union. It is 
  clear that
>> > neither set of grandparents give a damn about what 
  could happen to
>> > children
>> > in the home of a serial 
  pedophile. Their lack of concern rules them out
>> > as
>> > 
  responsible parents or grandparents. There is no way on this earth 
  that
>> > Miss Travis, who after all is choosing to marry a molester 
  of toddlers,
>> > is
>> > competent to protect her babies. 
  (Think about it, how likely is it that
>> > she
>> > will turn 
  him in when, if convicted, he will spend the rest of his life in
>> > 
  prison?)
>> >
>> > And so, as unpleasant as it is, these 
  emails are my only hope that at
>> > least
>> > our community 
  (and anyone who googles the names in this email) will be
>> > 
  aware
>> > of what is happening June 11, 2011, thanks to the principal 
  enablers in
>> > this
>> > hellish drama. Stand up and take a 
  bow parents, Don and Betsy Travis;
>> > Roxanne and Dave Sitler; 
  "adopted grandparents" Ed and Paula Iverson; and
>> > pastors Doug 
  Wilson; Tim Tucker; and to a lesser extent Ed Eby. The
>> > 
  elders
>> > in both CREC churches who support this marriage also bear 
  a responsibility
>> > for going along to get along. Once again, please 
  remember the names of
>> > Christ Church elders in Moscow:
>> 
  >
>> > Dale Courtney, Dr. John Grauke, Matt Gray, Ed Iverson, Mike 
  Lawyer, Csaba
>> > Leidenfrost, Ben Merkle, Jim Nance, John Sawyer, 
  Wes Struble, Matt
>> > Whitling,
>> > and Gordon Wilson, and 
  Pastor Doug Wilson
>> >
>> > for they are men who 
  promoted/protected evil to achieve God only knows
>> > what. (One 
  can't help but speculate if ample donations to the New Saint
>> > 
  Andrews library have appeared over the last six months) I can say
>> > 
  unequivocally, not a one of them would have permitted Steven Sitler to
>> 
  > marry
>> > their own daughters. Sadly, Miss Travis was groomed by 
  these jackasses,
>> > and
>> > their CREC brothers to be 
  expendable.
>> >
>> > Rose Huskey
>> >
>> 
  >
>> >
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>> 
>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it 
  to
>> changeand the Realist adjusts his sails."
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 
  4 May 2011 20:05:07 -0700
>> From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: 
  [Vision2020] Sitler Travis Wedding
>> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> 
  Message-ID: <D356DD9659354D2686B1C44B47BAAF9C at LocalHost>
>> 
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>> 
>> Rose,
>> 
>> Thank you for an excellent post giving the facts and exposing the 
  egregious, sacrilegious lack of moral values exhibited by the parties 
  involved. I agree with what you say, perhaps even with stronger feelings of 
  anger, disgust, and deep sorrow for the victims past and present.
>> 
>> Let us not forget the non-cult locals who have enabled this fetid 
  union and its consequences by their laziness, ineptitude, lack of judgment, 
  and lack of compassion for the victims of pedophiles, past present, and 
  future: Prosecutor William Thompson, Sheriff Wayne Rausch, and Judge John 
  Stegner.
>> 
>> As citizens we have no control over the twisted, 
  morally depraved crackpots that rule and people the hierarchy of the Christ 
  Church Cult. But we do have the power and control at the polls to oust the 
  public officials who are enablers of pedophilia. We need to use this 
  power.
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne A. Fox
>> 1009 Karen Lane
>> 
  PO Box 9421
>> Moscow, ID 83843
>> 
>> waf at moscow.com
>> 208 882-7975
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Rosemary Huskey 
>> 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>> 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:31 PM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sitler 
  Travis Wedding
>> 
>> 
>> Visionaries,
>> 
>> About a 
  month ago I published an email on V2020 addressed to Doug Wilson and his 
  elders regarding the forthcoming marriage of Steven Sitler and Katie Travis. I 
  specifically named the elders so that in their daily out and about in Moscow 
  you would know who they are and what they represent. Now, I will answer some 
  of the questions that I (rhetorically) asked them. (They didn't bother to 
  answer me.) A degree of culpability for supporting this sacrilegious 
  "marriage" covers all of them, but some actors are more deeply involved than 
  others.
>> 
>> The following list of elders (with the exception of 
  John Grauke - who depends on the Kirk to supply patients to him so is beholden 
  indirectly to Doug) are employed by Kirk owned or allied ventures. Nothing 
  keeps the toadies in line like a regular pay check. Ben Merkle is on the 
  faculty of New Saint Andrews and is married to Doug's eldest daughter, who 
  mysteriously refers to her father as a Presbyterian minister on press releases 
  for her business. When did that ordination happen, Doug? Gordon Wilson is 
  Doug's brother.
>> 
>> Dale Courtney, Dr. John Grauke, Matt Gray, Ed 
  Iverson, Mike Lawyer, Csaba Leidenfrost, Ben Merkle, Jim Nance, John Sawyer, 
  Wes Struble, Matt Whitling, and Gordon Wilson, and Pastor Doug Wilson
>> 
>> Katie Travis and Steven Sitler are "grateful" to NSA librarian and 
  church elder Ed Iverson and his wife for arranging their meeting and 
  supporting their courtship. It is disturbing to learn that Miss Travis had 
  known Mr. and Mrs. Iverson for many years prior to her arrival at NSA. She 
  boarded with them during her NSA tenure. I know there is a word for a person 
  who procures women for men, but I don't know the word for someone who 
  engineers a marriage with a serial pedophile. It is true that Miss Travis 
  asked Ed Iverson to find a suitable husband for her, but I can't imagine she 
  meant a child molesting felon. 
>> 
>> I wondered if her home church 
  pastor was aware of this travesty. Silly me. Of course he was aware. Click on 
  the links for more info on Tim Tucker. The bolding in the bottom line of his 
  vita is mine.
>> 
>> "Pastor Rev. Tim Tucker was born in Sandpoint, 
  Idaho, but grew-up in Connell, Washington with an older brother. If he could 
  live anywhere it would be "Right here in Fallon, I love it here!" Tim is the 
  Pastor of Immanuel Presbyterian Church here in Fallon, and also serves as the 
  Headmaster of our school. Tim teaches at LCA [Logos Christian Academy] because 
  he wants to see generational growth in God's Kingdom in Fallon. In his free 
  time he likes to date his wife, play with his children and read. Tim is 
  married to Carleen (for 34 years), and they have eleven blessed children: 
  Heather, Heidi, Holly, Forrest, Hillary, Hannah, Fred, Ford, Freeman, Finn and 
  Hallie. He is also the proud grandpa of nine grandchildren with another on the 
  way! Mr. Tucker is committed to classical education and to the work of rearing 
  up children in the ways of the Lord. He has been involved in education from a 
  Christian perspective for over 25 years. He has lived in Fallon since 
  2001.
>> Education:
>> B.A. (Religion and Philosophy) from Northwest 
  Nazarene University
>> Fellow of Greyfriar's Hall, Moscow, ID (M.Div. 
  equivalent)
>> 
>> What's with the Pastor Rev. crapola? I don't see 
  any evidence that a genuine (recognized by a national affiliation) 
  Presbyterian church ordained him. Perhaps it is the same church that laid 
  hands on Doug. Or, could it be that he is claiming affiliation with a 
  respected denomination to boost his own rather rickety credentials? And yes, 
  it is not accidental that fat old Friar Tuck has also started a Logos clone. 
  School start up is part of the requirements for graduation from Doug's 
  pseudo-seminary, Greyfriar's Hall. (Note the loop effect, Greyfriar graduates 
  have to start up a Logos style school which in turn must pay to join Doug's 
  school accreditation business the Association of Classical Christian Schools. 
  Kirkers may claim it's about a worldview, but since money is part of every 
  transaction, it really is all about the money. Can you smell the pyramid 
  scheme lurking in the background?) 
>> 
>> If you know anyone if 
  Fallon, Nevada who is looking for a church home, I'd sure as heck steer them 
  away from this one. If you'd like to ask Pastor Rev. Tucker what led him down 
  this path his email is: friartuck53 at cccomm.net). Don't expect  an answer though; he is not interested in explaining his role in this ungodly  marriage. Taking responsibility for bad behavior has never been a high  priority in CREC (Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches - Doug  Wilson's home-grown invention of like-minded individuals.) Incidentally, CREC  utilizes a presbyterian [note the small "p" it is an adjective not a noun]  style of church governance. Capitalizing the P does not mean that they meet  any of the requirements for ordination, nor are they associated with  nationally recognized Presbyterian churches. For example, they are not,  absolutely not, associated with the real live local Presbyterian Church. Does  anyone think for a moment that because I live in a town called Moscow;  !
>> saw the movie Black Swan; and conduct ballet classes on my back 
  patio, that I am somehow entitled to describe my pretend classes as an 
  extension school of the Bolshi? Same deal, and just as ridiculous as Doug's 
  loony claim. 
>> 
>> Speaking of ministers, how 'bout Pastor Eby of 
  our local Nazarene Church? What makes him tick? Why in the world did he get 
  involved with this mess? If he didn't know about Sitler's crimes when the 
  church was rented, he certainly knows now. I wonder what his congregation 
  thinks about this use of their church? It kinda reminds me of the warning in 
  Matthew 21:12. I don't have a doubt in the world that Pastor Eby would be 
  unwilling to rent his church to a person who is a notorious abortion provider. 
  I have always wondered why there is an overwhelming concern to protect the 
  unborn "child" but not so much for babies after birth. Steven Sitler has in 
  effect murdered the spirits of countless children but I guess that doesn't 
  count when someone pays top dollar to use the sanctuary. (Doug Wilson will 
  perform the service.)
>> 
>> Are you seeing the pattern of 
  spiritually corrupt CREC ministers in this mess? As to the parents of both the 
  bride and groom - they are beyond shame, I get that. No father in his right 
  mind would give his permission (which is generally required in CREC marriages) 
  to this grotesque match. As far as the Sitler seniors are concerned, they 
  appear to be ecstatic that they are marrying off that nasty piece of work they 
  hatched. They have left their old church - the one that dis-fellowed Steven 
  when he admitted to molesting children (including at least one in their 
  congregation) - in favor of a new CREC church plant in Colville. Everywhere I 
  look I see the footprints of Doug Wilson's size 14 combat boots. 
>> 
>> And here is the point of this series of emails. When Doug and the 
  boys rip off community members in Moscow by running gambling casinos, illegal 
  boarding houses, plunking a college and an under-the-radar boys school in 
  central Moscow, or not paying taxes when they rented space to for- profit 
  businesses on tax free property they are a pain in the ass. And, yes, thanks 
  to the lack of backbones the city council let them get by with their 
  self-entitled bull shit. The Daily News has had a long-term love affair with 
  all things Kirkish for years. A bottle of wine goes a long way to buying good 
  press I guess. Again, annoying but not worth much more in the long run than 
  throwing up ones hands and sighing. I know that calling out the Kirk is risky 
  business. And, most folks have the mother wit not to get involved. After all, 
  there is a price to pay for pointing out their nastiness. Saundra and I, not 
  to mention Tom Hanson, are keenly aware of this. But we won't stop - silence 
  !
>> is acquiescence and we would be ashamed of ourselves if we cut and 
  ran when things get a uncomfortable. (Curiously, shame is a motivator for us, 
  but Kirkers, not so much.)
>> 
>> This wedding is a different kettle 
  of fish - it involves so much more than cheap chiselers thumbing their noses 
  at city regulations. This is the culmination of years of unrelenting 
  propaganda that preaches the sole purpose of women on this earth is to marry 
  and breed. Of course Miss Travis wants a husband, how could she be a real 
  grown up without one? Getting married means that God is blessing you. Failure 
  to snag a husband means that no matter what else you accomplish, you are a 
  failure, half a person, incomplete, in the eyes of the faithful. This 
  unrelenting message leads foolish young woman like Miss Travis to become 
  engaged on a second date to a really creepy criminal. Her obsessive desire to 
  be married is heart breaking on many levels.
>> 
>> But, my sympathy 
  for Miss Travis, although sincere, has to be measured against what I am sure 
  is her desire to have children. Someone has to be the advocate for the 
  (potential) children of this union. It is clear that neither set of 
  grandparents give a damn about what could happen to children in the home of a 
  serial pedophile. Their lack of concern rules them out as responsible parents 
  or grandparents. There is no way on this earth that Miss Travis, who after all 
  is choosing to marry a molester of toddlers, is competent to protect her 
  babies. (Think about it, how likely is it that she will turn him in when, if 
  convicted, he will spend the rest of his life in prison?) 
>> 
>> 
  And so, as unpleasant as it is, these emails are my only hope that at least 
  our community (and anyone who googles the names in this email) will be aware 
  of what is happening June 11, 2011, thanks to the principal enablers in this 
  hellish drama. Stand up and take a bow parents, Don and Betsy Travis; Roxanne 
  and Dave Sitler; "adopted grandparents" Ed and Paula Iverson; and pastors Doug 
  Wilson; Tim Tucker; and to a lesser extent Ed Eby. The elders in both CREC 
  churches who support this marriage also bear a responsibility for going along 
  to get along. Once again, please remember the names of Christ Church elders in 
  Moscow:
>> 
>> Dale Courtney, Dr. John Grauke, Matt Gray, Ed 
  Iverson, Mike Lawyer, Csaba Leidenfrost, Ben Merkle, Jim Nance, John Sawyer, 
  Wes Struble, Matt Whitling, and Gordon Wilson, and Pastor Doug Wilson
>> 
>> for they are men who promoted/protected evil to achieve God only 
  knows what. (One can't help but speculate if ample donations to the New Saint 
  Andrews library have appeared over the last six months) I can say 
  unequivocally, not a one of them would have permitted Steven Sitler to marry 
  their own daughters. Sadly, Miss Travis was groomed by these jackasses, and 
  their CREC brothers to be expendable.
>> 
>> Rose Huskey
>> 
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