[Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)

[Joe Campbell]

3 is not a majority Donovan! Sorry if I don't reply to you again but I've
explained why.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Donovan Arnold <
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> No, this is just rhetorical babble from the babyboomers, Joe.
>
> The fact is, regardless of your thinking that being almost 70 is too old,
> the leaders of Congress when Clinton took office were not of the Babyboomer
> generation. Clinton was in fact barely in his 40s when he took office.
>
> *Tom Foley *(D-WA) of Spokane was Speaker of the House, Born 1929
> Not a babyboomer.
>
> Senate Majority Leader
> *George John Mitchell, Jr., *Born* *August 20, 1933,
> Not a Babyboomer.
>
> Assistant Majority Leader
> *Wendell Hampton Ford* born September 8, 1924
> Not a Babyboomer
>
> The idea of balancing the budget did not originate with Clinton. Truman
> balanced the budget as did most Presidents. It was in fact (Henry) Ross
> Perot, born June 27, 1930, not a babyboomer, that made Clinton balance the
> budget. Clinton had to balance the budget otherwise Perot would have sheered
> off enough votes from him to lose in the 1996 reelection, like what happened
> to George W. Bush in 1992.
>
> Again though, it is entertaining to read your defense of the Babyboomers
> supposed accomplishments. Even if I give you that Babyboomers balanced the
> budget for few years on paper, it still doesn't make up for the damage they
> have done and is irrelevant considering the massive deficit we endure today.
>
> Yes, I am very real Joe. It is you that are a fake person. I don't believe
> a philosophy professor could be as arrogant and wrongheaded as you. All my
> philosophy teachers were smart, level headed, well rounded, respectful of
> others , could listen and acknowledge the value and difference between fact
> and opinion. You believe only what you want and lash out at anyone that
> disagrees with your opinion. A vast many people on Vision 2020 know I am
> real, and know me personally because they have met me and even worked with
> me on various projects, campaigns while I was a student at UI. I was born in
> Moscow. My family, including dozens of members, have been on the
> Palouse since the 1940s or before. How long has yours? Where were you born?
> My flesh comes from what is now beneath the soil you walk upon.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/31/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Kris Freitag" <kfreitag at roadrunner.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 9:47 AM
>
> This is just a tea party distortion of history. Congress did not come up
> with the idea to lower the deficit; Clinton did. And are you saying that the
> majority of congress during Clinton's presidency were from the WWII
> generation? Clinton was president from 1993-2001. Baby boomers started in
> 1943. Folks who were 20 years old during WWII were close to 70 years old in
> 1993! Are you saying the congress of the Clinton years was made up of a
> majority of 70 year olds? Holy crap. Do the lies ever stop with you folks?
>
> Can one of you tea party crackpots say one thing without (1) telling a lie
> or (2) reasoning toward it via some fallacy? I'm sure you can. I'm sure that
> the tea party is made up of intelligent folks as well as crackpots. But
> where are they?
>
> Donovan, I challenge you to prove in some why that you are not Glenn
> Schwaller or some local radical rightwing crackpot. You sound like one.
> Could we do lunch or something, something to show us that you are in fact
> who you say you are and not some liar like GS? You seem to be a liar.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   Kris,
>
> WOW! You are bragging that the babyboomer generation is not a total waste
> to society because one of them was president when the WWII generation that
> controlled congress managed to balance the budget on paper for about four
> years?
> Seems like you are grasping at straws here. I mean, what good did that do
> anyway when it resulted in a total economic meltdown, a whopping
> insurmountable debt, a defunded educational system, a destroyed environment,
> and a hopeless future for the next few generations for the first time in US
> history? I am sure that a four year balanced budget will be a side note in
> the history books, but the babyboomers will no doubt demand a cookie for
> this accomplishment and the next two generations cookies too and leave the
> crumbs for everyone else to clean up, for doing what they are suppose to do
> a few times, actually balance a check book.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kfreitag@roadrunner.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kfreitag@roadrunner.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>>,
> "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 6:40 PM
>
>  Must I point out that a mere 10 years ago a baby boomer president namely
> Bill Clinton had the US insurmountable debt on the plus side of zero. How
> soon we forget! According to the CBO, the U.S. last had a surplus during
> fiscal year (FY) 2001. Damn what a short memory. So yes it must be the baby
> boomers  fault.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Donovan Arnold<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> *To:* Joe Campbell<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was:
> NPR)
>
>   Yes Joe, I blame the Babyboomer generation as opposed to blaming a
> political group that has existed for less than a few years for being the
> cause of all of America's problems.
>
> I don't think the Teaparty, for as annoying and wrong as they are, have any
> real influence on current and past major events leading to the
> insurmountable debt and problems we face today. Perhaps you can explain how
> they are and the Babyboomers were not?
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> >
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 4:27 PM
>
> Right. Blame a generation. That's helpful.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   I just think a lot of the fraud and financial crisis is the result of
> the Babyboomers. You cannot really tag it on any one particular political
> group, or one person. Babyboomers have spend more money than any other
> generation before it, including those that fought WWII. They have indebted
> the nation beyond the capability of future generations to pay back and live
> any type of quality of life. They have burned more fuel then all the
> previous generation before or after combined. I won't even get into the
> environmental disasters they have plagued the world over with. They have
> behaved as greedy pigs at the trough. With the trough being the fruits of
> labor of previous and future generations.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> >
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:06 PM
>
> Thanks, Ken. This is exactly why I can't take criticisms of NPR seriously.
> How many times does Roger complain about about how we don't have enough
> money? Yet how little does he talk about the kinds of waste that you note
> below, wastes from the military and monetary losses caused by unchecked
> members of the business community? If it were really about MONEY we'd get
> criticisms of more than NPR and education. And the fact is once you do away
> with adequate news sources and gut American education it is going to be a
> lot harder for the average folk to spot the lies and fallacies of the tea
> baggers.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:05:19 Joe Campbell wrote:
> > We're not spending too much on NPR! We spend more bombing Libya in one
> day
> > than a year's worth of NPR! I don't see any good arguments supporting
> your
> > case. That's all.
>
> American aggression overseas, however much it may be in aid of moral
> causes,
> is unmatched by its awful armaments accounting at home. If one wishes to be
> aware of the most egregious levels of American aggression, look at the
> artless
> accounting appeasement that has continued for decades among those who claim
> accounting and auditing expertise and the American military establishment.
>
> The military-industrial complex of contractors and their aides,
> accomplices,
> and accessories have failed to produce understandable, comprehensive,
> audited
> financial statements for American military activities for as long as anyone
> can
> remember. This financial and managerial reporting void should be a source
> of
> perpetual embarrassment to anyone who claims to have any sense of federal
> fiscal or taxpayer concern.
>
>
> Ken
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