[Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)

Thu Mar 31 09:47:10 PDT 2011

This is just a tea party distortion of history. Congress did not come up
with the idea to lower the deficit; Clinton did. And are you saying that the
majority of congress during Clinton's presidency were from the WWII
generation? Clinton was president from 1993-2001. Baby boomers started in
1943. Folks who were 20 years old during WWII were close to 70 years old in
1993! Are you saying the congress of the Clinton years was made up of a
majority of 70 year olds? Holy crap. Do the lies ever stop with you folks?

Can one of you tea party crackpots say one thing without (1) telling a lie
or (2) reasoning toward it via some fallacy? I'm sure you can. I'm sure that
the tea party is made up of intelligent folks as well as crackpots. But
where are they?

Donovan, I challenge you to prove in some why that you are not Glenn
Schwaller or some local radical rightwing crackpot. You sound like one.
Could we do lunch or something, something to show us that you are in fact
who you say you are and not some liar like GS? You seem to be a liar.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Donovan Arnold <
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Kris,
>
> WOW! You are bragging that the babyboomer generation is not a total waste
> to society because one of them was president when the WWII generation that
> controlled congress managed to balance the budget on paper for about four
> years?
> Seems like you are grasping at straws here. I mean, what good did that do
> anyway when it resulted in a total economic meltdown, a whopping
> insurmountable debt, a defunded educational system, a destroyed environment,
> and a hopeless future for the next few generations for the first time in US
> history? I am sure that a four year balanced budget will be a side note in
> the history books, but the babyboomers will no doubt demand a cookie for
> this accomplishment and the next two generations cookies too and leave the
> crumbs for everyone else to clean up, for doing what they are suppose to do
> a few times, actually balance a check book.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Joe Campbell" <
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 6:40 PM
>
>  Must I point out that a mere 10 years ago a baby boomer president namely
> Bill Clinton had the US insurmountable debt on the plus side of zero. How
> soon we forget! According to the CBO, the U.S. last had a surplus during
> fiscal year (FY) 2001. Damn what a short memory. So yes it must be the baby
> boomers  fault.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Donovan Arnold<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> *To:* Joe Campbell<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was:
> NPR)
>
>   Yes Joe, I blame the Babyboomer generation as opposed to blaming a
> political group that has existed for less than a few years for being the
> cause of all of America's problems.
>
> I don't think the Teaparty, for as annoying and wrong as they are, have any
> real influence on current and past major events leading to the
> insurmountable debt and problems we face today. Perhaps you can explain how
> they are and the Babyboomers were not?
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 4:27 PM
>
> Right. Blame a generation. That's helpful.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   I just think a lot of the fraud and financial crisis is the result of
> the Babyboomers. You cannot really tag it on any one particular political
> group, or one person. Babyboomers have spend more money than any other
> generation before it, including those that fought WWII. They have indebted
> the nation beyond the capability of future generations to pay back and live
> any type of quality of life. They have burned more fuel then all the
> previous generation before or after combined. I won't even get into the
> environmental disasters they have plagued the world over with. They have
> behaved as greedy pigs at the trough. With the trough being the fruits of
> labor of previous and future generations.
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=philosopher.joe@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
> To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> >
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:06 PM
>
> Thanks, Ken. This is exactly why I can't take criticisms of NPR seriously.
> How many times does Roger complain about about how we don't have enough
> money? Yet how little does he talk about the kinds of waste that you note
> below, wastes from the military and monetary losses caused by unchecked
> members of the business community? If it were really about MONEY we'd get
> criticisms of more than NPR and education. And the fact is once you do away
> with adequate news sources and gut American education it is going to be a
> lot harder for the average folk to spot the lies and fallacies of the tea
> baggers.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com<http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:05:19 Joe Campbell wrote:
> > We're not spending too much on NPR! We spend more bombing Libya in one
> day
> > than a year's worth of NPR! I don't see any good arguments supporting
> your
> > case. That's all.
>
> American aggression overseas, however much it may be in aid of moral
> causes,
> is unmatched by its awful armaments accounting at home. If one wishes to be
> aware of the most egregious levels of American aggression, look at the
> artless
> accounting appeasement that has continued for decades among those who claim
> accounting and auditing expertise and the American military establishment.
>
> The military-industrial complex of contractors and their aides,
> accomplices,
> and accessories have failed to produce understandable, comprehensive,
> audited
> financial statements for American military activities for as long as anyone
> can
> remember. This financial and managerial reporting void should be a source
> of
> perpetual embarrassment to anyone who claims to have any sense of federal
> fiscal or taxpayer concern.
>
>
> Ken
>
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