[Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)

Thu Mar 31 09:23:17 PDT 2011

Kris,

WOW! You are bragging that the babyboomer generation is not a total waste to society because one of them was president when the WWII generation that controlled congress managed to balance the budget on paper for about four years?
Seems like you are grasping at straws here. I mean, what good did that do anyway when it resulted in a total economic meltdown, a whopping insurmountable debt, a defunded educational system, a destroyed environment, and a hopeless future for the next few generations for the first time in US history? I am sure that a four year balanced budget will be a side note in the history books, but the babyboomers will no doubt demand a cookie for this accomplishment and the next two generations cookies too and leave the crumbs for everyone else to clean up, for doing what they are suppose to do a few times, actually balance a check book. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Kris Freitag <kfreitag at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 6:40 PM

Must I point out that a mere 10 years ago a baby boomer president namely Bill Clinton had the US insurmountable debt on the plus side of zero. How soon we forget! According to the CBO, the U.S. last had a surplus during fiscal year (FY) 2001. Damn what a short memory. So yes it must be the baby boomers  fault.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Donovan Arnold 
To: Joe Campbell 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)

Yes Joe, I blame the Babyboomer generation as opposed to blaming a political group that has existed for less than a few years for being the cause of all of America's problems.

I don't think the Teaparty, for as annoying and wrong as they are, have any real influence on current and past major events leading to the insurmountable debt and problems we face today. Perhaps you can explain how they are and the Babyboomers were not?

Donovan Arnold

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 4:27 PM

Right. Blame a generation. That's helpful.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I just think a lot of the fraud and financial crisis is the result of the Babyboomers. You cannot really tag it on any one particular political group, or one person. Babyboomers have spend more money than any other generation before it, including those that fought WWII. They have indebted the nation beyond the capability of future generations to pay back and live any type of quality of life. They have burned more fuel then all the previous generation before or after combined. I won't even get into the environmental disasters they have plagued the world over with. They have behaved as greedy pigs at the trough. With the trough being the fruits of labor of previous and future generations. 

Donovan Arnold

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] American arrogance and arms accounting (was: NPR)
To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:06 PM

Thanks, Ken. This is exactly why I can't take criticisms of NPR seriously. How many times does Roger complain about about how we don't have enough money? Yet how little does he talk about the kinds of waste that you note below, wastes from the military and monetary losses caused by unchecked members of the business community? If it were really about MONEY we'd get criticisms of more than NPR and education. And the fact is once you do away with adequate news sources and gut American education it is going to be a lot harder for the average folk to spot the lies and fallacies of the tea baggers.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com> wrote:

On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:05:19 Joe Campbell wrote:
> We're not spending too much on NPR! We spend more bombing Libya in one day
> than a year's worth of NPR! I don't see any good arguments supporting your
> case. That's all.

American aggression overseas, however much it may be in aid of moral causes,
is unmatched by its awful armaments accounting at home. If one wishes to be
aware of the most egregious levels of American aggression, look at the artless
accounting appeasement that has continued for decades among those who claim
accounting and auditing expertise and the American military establishment.

The military-industrial complex of contractors and their aides, accomplices,
and accessories have failed to produce understandable, comprehensive, audited
financial statements for American military activities for as long as anyone can
remember. This financial and managerial reporting void should be a source of
perpetual embarrassment to anyone who claims to have any sense of federal
fiscal or taxpayer concern.

Ken

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