[Vision2020] Despite La Nina, Moscow's Meteorological Winter (Dec./Jan./Feb.) Saw Below Ave. Precipitation

Thu Mar 10 13:30:30 PST 2011

I believe the UI Library has the weather records. They were in the Reference 
Collection. Now? Contact the Reference Dept.

 Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

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From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:22:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Despite La Nina, Moscow's Meteorological Winter 
(Dec./Jan./Feb.) Saw Below Ave. Precipitation

Don't apologize if there is nothing to apologize for... But if so, for
penance, I recommend you directly contact NASA's Gavin Schmidt or
James Hansen at Goddard Insitute for Space Studies to explain your
profound theories regarding why their climate science is as unrelibale
as you emphatically assert it is... Of course, they might just laugh,
or not bother with a response.  But I have corresponded briefly with
Schmidt, to receive my encrypted marching orders to advance the
political takeover of public climate science education to promote the
great anthropogenic global warming hoax that one day, as a card
carrying member of the Knights Carbonic, will lead us to total world
domination.  Unfortunately, our plans were partially revealed in
emails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit of East Anglia
University in the United Kingdom, but we have regrouped with much
tighter security protocols:  Read here:
http://www.monbiot.com/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/
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I attempted to find data on local precipitation direcly form the U of
I weather station from whatever source would offer the most "raw" data
(Whatever that is!  Read "A Vast Machine: Computer Models, Climate
Data, and the Politics of Global Warming
": http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12080
) but had problems accessing the website (even assuming I had the
correct website...).

Maybe someone knows the most direct source for the U of I weather
station's entire historical data set?

Someone once sent me an actual page of U of I weather station data
with all the data for the month of Dec. 1968, the month of the record
coldest day for Moscow, Idaho, Dec. 30, at 42 below F., that might
have come from the NCDC ( http://www7.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/cd/cd.html ).
It featured a note that the data are "quality controlled" and "may not
be identical to the original observations."  See what mean about so
called "raw" data?  The Knights Carbonic are everywhere!

Here is a part of the page in question:

Station: MOSCOW U OF I
State: ID County: LATAH Standard Time: PACIFIC
Record of Climatological Observations
These data are quality controlled and may not be identical to the
original observations

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Anyway, I suspect your Moscow average monthly precipitation graph is
based on incorrect or incomplete data, or the data is misintrepreted.

I found two other sources for Moscow, Idaho average monthly
precipitation, and both agree exactly with weather.com, showing Dec.
at 3.14 inches, Jan. at 2.99 inches and Feb. at 2.52 inches (8.65
total for meterorological winter).  The first website below asserts
the source as the U of I weather station:

http://www.idcide.com/weather/id/moscow.htm

Normal Precipitation
(MOSCOW U OF I Weather station, 1.63 miles from Moscow)
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
Inch 2.99 2.52 2.57 2.52 2.62 1.87 1.12 1.19 1.28 2.01 3.54 3.14 27.37

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The same values for monthly average precipitation are listed at this
website, giving a NOAA station ID:

NOAA Station ID: ID106152

http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/ID/ID106152.php
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I think it likely that weather.com simply posts the U of I or
NOAA/NCDC data on Moscow's weather, without keeping the "raw" data on
their website.
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett

On 3/9/11, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 03/09/2011 01:46 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:
>> Good grief!
>>
>> You take the time and trouble to graph out precipitation data from
>> another website, yet you don't simply search the weather.com website
>> to find the info you ask for that is easy to find?
>>
>> More head games, I guess...
>>
>> WTF!
>>
>> But I'll play along with your game...
>
> The truth is, I had taken my lunch hour to gather that data and was
> already running late for getting back to work.  I didn't think I had the
> time to search for the link, compare numbers, and to try to find out
> where they both gathered their data from.  If you thought that I was
> trying to manipulate you or if you thought this was unforgivable
> behavior on my part, I apologize.  It had taken me longer to gather the
> data and make the chart than I had at first anticipated.
>
>> Read at weather.com website the historical average precipitation for
>> each month of the year for Moscow, Idaho, showing Dec. at 3.14 inches,
>> Jan. at 2.99 inches and Feb. at 2.52 inches, for a total of 8.65
>> inches for the meteorological winter:
>>http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83843?s_oid=http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83843&s_oidt=0
>>0
>> ---------------
>> As to differences between the weather data you offered and
>> weather.com, I have no clue.
>
> Me neither.  If I can find the time soon, I'll try to find out what data
> sources they use and report back.  I have a couple of other projects in
> the pipeline, though, so it might take me some time.
>
> Thank you for the link.
>
>> Call NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.  Maybe climate
>> scientists Gavin Schmidt (
>> http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/gschmidt.html ) or James Hansen (
>> http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/authors/jhansen.html ) can resolve the
>> discrepancy!
>>
>> Just joking...
>>
>> By the way, you might want to study this important research on climate
>> noted below from Goddard, from those climate science government funded
>> politically biased incompetents or frauds... (scathing sarcasm
>> scarcely disguised):
>>
>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20101014/
>
> I have a couple of comments on this study (I've snipped some of the
> article for brevity):
>
>> How Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature
>> October 14, 2010
>>
>> Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's
>> greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study
>> shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the
>> atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.
>>
>
>> The climate forcing experiment described in Science was simple in
>> design and concept — all of the non-condensing greenhouse gases and
>> aerosols were zeroed out, and the global climate model was run forward
>> in time to see what would happen to the greenhouse effect
>
> This study is describing the outputs of a climate model that they
> developed, using assumptions they think are true.
>
>> "Our climate modeling simulation should be viewed as an experiment in
>> atmospheric physics, illustrating a cause and effect problem which
>> allowed us to gain a better understanding of the working mechanics of
>> Earth's greenhouse effect, and enabled us to demonstrate the direct
>> relationship that exists between rising atmospheric carbon dioxide and
>> rising global temperature," Lacis said.
>
> I would agree that this simulation should be viewed as an experiment,
> *after* it has been validated by real-world observations.  Until then,
> as far as I can tell from this article, it's not an "experiment", it's a
> description of a hypothesis.  The fact that their computer simulation
> suggested this hypothesis is beside the point.
>
> Paul
>

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