[Vision2020] Sex Offender

Tue Mar 8 21:13:02 PST 2011

I forgot to include the URL for the source:

http://www.corr.state.id.us/facts/annual/annualreport.htm

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

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From: Reggie Holmquist <reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu>
To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Cc: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; Joe Campbell 
<philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>; 
"vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 4:32:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender

Thanks to Ron for that info. I didn't know we had access to that
already-compiled info.  Fascinating, really.  Anyway, too many people
incarcerated for drug/alcohol related offenses as well as
property-related offenses.  Not saying property offenders should get
off scott-free, but I do know that ID has exceptionally strict
sentencing guidelines for property offenders. Probably too strict, and
it's probably costing a lot annually for the state to enforce these
exceptionally strict guidelines.

-Reggie

On Tuesday, March 8, 2011, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> I agree that sociopaths should receive life sentences with no parol.  However 
>Reggie is right, as Ron's post points out there are a lot of people in prison 
>that could be better dealt with other than by prolonged periods of 
>incarceration.
> Child Protective services involve a lot of other things that sex offenses. They 
>also deal with physical and emotional abuse.
> This can be  rejecting, isolation,ignoring, corrupting, exploiting, and 
>terrorizing. Kids have been starved, locked  in closets, denied health care, 
>used as mules, ect.  I do not mean to imply that all physical acts toward 
>children is abuse. I have no problem with a spanking on the behind. I personally 
>do not think a child should be slapped, even though that may not be abuse. 
>Anything that leaves a bruise is.
> Roger
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Rosemary Huskey" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:43:31 -0800
> To: "'Joe Campbell'" philosopher.joe at gmail.com, "'Ron Force'" 
>rforce2003 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>
>> I strongly recommend that folks click on the link that Ron Force (thanks,
>> Ron) provided and listen to the NPR interview.  Actually, the offender that
>> is discussed had two particularly violent offense in addition to the 90
>> other that he admitted to.  Steven Sitler has admitted (but was not charged
>> with dozens of child molestations) because of his plea deal.  By any
>> standard (except legally) he is a serial offender.  The reason that I
>> enclosed the word therapy in quotes was because many serial pedophiles (and
>> other serial sex offenders) are sociopaths.  There is no therapeutic
>> approach that I am aware of that effectively treats, and certainly none that
>> will cure a sociopath.  It is my sense that the victims of sexual predators
>> may suffer a life-time of damage as a consequence of the molestation (as the
>> psychiatrist suggests during the radio interview),  therefore, a life
>> sentence for the perpetrator seems equitable to me.
>>
>> Rose Huskey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:40 PM
>> To: Ron Force
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a tricky issue.
>>
>> On the one hand, I don't have much of a problem telling someone like John
>> Rydberg, who has admitted to more than 90 sex offenses (see link below),
>> that he should remain incarcerated.
>>
>> On the other hand, even if we suppose that there is a 75% recidivism rate
>> for sex offenders, you're still talking about the unjustified punishment of
>> 25% of them if the suggestion IF the suggestion is something like the "civil
>> commitment sex offender treatment program" that Minnesota has.
>>
>> Not that Rose or anyone else is suggesting that. So far the point is that
>> sex offenders should not be allowed early release and that is a no-brainer,
>> as it is with the early release of any violent criminal (unless there are
>> extenuating circumstances).
>>
>> But the overall issue of what to do with sex offenders, how long they
>> deserve punishment, and whether incarceration in the form of treatment after
>> punishment is a viable option is a very difficult issue, though one that
>> needs much attention.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> A pertinent story from Here and Now" this morning on NWPR:
>>
>> http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2011/03/08/minnesota-sex-offender
>>
>> Ron Force
>> Moscow Idaho USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: "betsyd at turbonet.com" <betsyd at turbonet.com>
>> To: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; vision 2020
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 11:37:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>>
>>
>> Couldn't agree with you more!
>>
>> Bets
>>
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Rosemary Huskey" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
>> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:20:41 -0800
>> To: "'vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com, "'Sunil Ramalingam'"
>> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>>
>> > A juried review of recidivism, therapeutic modalities, etc. for sex
>> > offenders: http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html
>> >
>> > The type of offense appears to have some impact of the likelihood of
>> > reoffending, (which is high at any rate amongst non-incest child
>> molesters).
>> > There seems to be  disagreement among professionals about what constitutes
>> a
>> > re-offense.  For example, does re-offense mean an arrest, a conviction, or
>> > probation violation?  And, of course, no one, except the perpetrators and
>> > the victims really know what that rate is. What is clear is that it is
>> > underreported.  Whether the rate (including perpetrators in regular group
>> > "therapy" and I also use quotes) is 50% or .5% the possibility that
>> > convicted child molesters will continue to troll for and abuse children is
>> > too high.  As for specifics, Steven Sitler was jailed in Latah County for
>> > almost a year and did in fact drive himself (alone), to the
>> > Lewiston/Clarkston area regularly for "therapy."  And yes, there were
>> > controls in place in terms of time driving and mileage etc.  nonetheless,
>> it
>> > was, in my opinion, a risky situation.  I ask you and other 2020
>> > contributors, as I did the leaders of Christ Church who support him in his
>> > upcoming marriage, would you allow Steve Sitler, given his horrendous
>> > history of child molestation, unlimited, unsupervised access to your y

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