[Vision2020] Sex Offender
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Tue Mar 8 15:45:12 PST 2011
The sum total of Ron Force's percentage comes to 99.7%.
The question is now . . .
Just what type of crime is associated with the missing .3% of those
incarcerated in Idaho's prisons?
Do we REALLY want to know?
Tom "Hard-Rock .3 percenter" Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
On Tue, March 8, 2011 3:23 pm, Joe Campbell wrote:
> Well, at least we can save 20.7%! Joe
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the breakdown of the Idaho prison population, 6/30/10, 7504
>> prisoners:
>>
>> Murder & manslaughter 5.8%
>> Assault 23.3%
>> Property crimes 21.1%
>> Sex 21.4%
>> Alcohol 7.4%
>> Drugs 20.7%
>>
>> Source: Idaho Department of Corrections, 2010 Annual Report
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Reggie Holmquist <reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu>
>> *To:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Sent:* Tue, March 8, 2011 12:48:13 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>>
>> I'm confused as to why we're focusing solely on sex offenders. The
>> large
>> majority of folks in the prison system are there on drug-related
>> charges.
>> Leave the sex offenders in, and early-relase (or reduce sentencing
>> guidelines for) the drug-related offenders in order to save money and
>> reduce
>> the size of the prison-industrial complex. Also, do not renew contracts
>> for
>> private prison profiteers, that way 35-40% of the state's prison costs
>> won't
>> be set in stone. If we are going to set anything in stone, it should be
>> a
>> base level of funding for education (and that base level should be
>> higher
>> than the current level of funding).
>>
>> -Reggie
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Joe Campbell
>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> This is a tricky issue.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, I don't have much of a problem telling someone like
>>> John
>>> Rydberg, who has admitted to more than 90 sex offenses (see link
>>> below),
>>> that he should remain incarcerated.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, even if we suppose that there is a 75% recidivism
>>> rate
>>> for sex offenders, you're still talking about the unjustified
>>> punishment of
>>> 25% of them if the suggestion IF the suggestion is something like the
>>> "civil
>>> commitment sex offender treatment program" that Minnesota has.
>>>
>>> Not that Rose or anyone else is suggesting that. So far the point is
>>> that
>>> sex offenders should not be allowed early release and that is a
>>> no-brainer,
>>> as it is with the early release of any violent criminal (unless there
>>> are
>>> extenuating circumstances).
>>>
>>> But the overall issue of what to do with sex offenders, how long they
>>> deserve punishment, and whether incarceration in the form of treatment
>>> after
>>> punishment is a viable option is a very difficult issue, though one
>>> that
>>> needs much attention.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A pertinent story from Here and Now" this morning on NWPR:
>>>>
>>>> http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2011/03/08/minnesota-sex-offender
>>>>
>>>> Ron Force
>>>> Moscow Idaho USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* "betsyd at turbonet.com" <betsyd at turbonet.com>
>>>> *To:* Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; vision 2020 <
>>>> vision2020 at moscow.com>; Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tue, March 8, 2011 11:37:40 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't agree with you more!
>>>>
>>>> Bets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: "Rosemary Huskey" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
>>>> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:20:41 -0800
>>>> To: "'vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com, "'Sunil Ramalingam'"
>>>> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sex Offender
>>>>
>>>> > A juried review of recidivism, therapeutic modalities, etc. for sex
>>>> > offenders: http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html
>>>> >
>>>> > The type of offense appears to have some impact of the likelihood of
>>>> > reoffending, (which is high at any rate amongst non-incest child
>>>> molesters).
>>>> > There seems to be disagreement among professionals about what
>>>> constitutes a
>>>> > re-offense. For example, does re-offense mean an arrest, a
>>>> conviction,
>>>> or
>>>> > probation violation? And, of course, no one, except the
>>>> perpetrators
>>>> and
>>>> > the victims really know what that rate is. What is clear is that it
>>>> is
>>>> > underreported. Whether the rate (including perpetrators in regular
>>>> group
>>>> > "therapy" and I also use quotes) is 50% or .5% the possibility that
>>>> > convicted child molesters will continue to troll for and abuse
>>>> children
>>>> is
>>>> > too high. As for specifics, Steven Sitler was jailed in Latah
>>>> County
>>>> for
>>>> > almost a year and did in fact drive himself (alone), to the
>>>> > Lewiston/Clarkston area regularly for "therapy." And yes, there
>>>> were
>>>> > controls in place in terms of time driving and mileage etc.
>>>> nonetheless, it
>>>> > was, in my opinion, a risky situation. I ask you and other 2020
>>>> > contributors, as I did the leaders of Christ Church who support him
>>>> in
>>>> his
>>>> > upcoming marriage, would you allow Steve Sitler, given his
>>>> horrendous
>>>> > history of child molestation, unlimited, unsupervised access to your
>>>> young
>>>> > children? No therapeutic professional would guarantee that Mr.
>>>> Sitler,
>>>> or
>>>> > others with similar criminal histories, can be "cured" consequently
>>>> no
>>>> > thoughtful adult should trust him around any children. And, yes, I
>>>> would
>>>> > gladly pay more in taxes to keep offenders with a history like Mr.
>>>> Sitler's
>>>> > in jail until he is 80 years old. His life time probation offers
>>>> absolutely
>>>> > zero protection to his potential victims.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Rose Huskey
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> ****************************
>>>> * Betsy Dickow ***************
>>>> * Love! Love! Love! ************
>>>> ****************************
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